************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Well done Alberto
Sincerely Pete On Feb 12, 2013, at 2:53 AM, [email protected] wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hello to every tromers! > Today i have finished Trom my mind is solved I have achieved the voluntary > game condition! > Is a very natural state! Very simple! For what I understand is not possible > to go in full no game condition because you have to drop the body! I chose > not do that at this time I want to participate in clearing the planet as a > field Reiki master and have the planet to be clear for every man and human! > The paradise on earth is possible now I know! I can go in no game condition > in any aspect of my life, but I chose not to do that! The best is let others > to play games as they like and help them to go free of compulsion to play, if > I go in full no game I go out of the multiversity as a spiritual game player, > or joy in to prime creator! I can joy in any moment I want but not for full! > I chose to do the job that is there to be done! > So may this inspire your work in Trom! > Do very much RI (all and every difficulty on Trom comes from lack of RI ON > Be, do, have, and applying every type of postulates of the to Know chart > positive and negative! Do also much RI By touch things and put postulates > together! > This is my experience did the job for me. I did about 500H of Trom! and 200 > of Reiki self therapy, and 100 of meditation, I was class IV auditor and > level III pc! > My life falls all apart during the process! Everything fully, and I myself as > a being, got on full total failure, on the ton scale for several times! I > stand up pick up my head and go to battle again! I was in the hospital for 1 > time, go crazy other one, my mind plaid every game against me at the end is > my best friend! > For me big help was Reiki training, and at the very end meditation on who am > I? > (Bock keys to ultimate freedom!) > So here it is it can be done but only for the ones of real courage and good > of hard and will! > You are here to make a difference in the small things life is very simple > like this change your mind and you see the simple of life and stop to try to > make bad influence on it! > So life just flow in harmony! So you are! > > Best to every one! If anyone needs help please ask! I do my best! > > > All my love to all of you! > > To God! > > > Quoting [email protected]: > >> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Kindle version of Manual plus additions (Aarre Peltomaa) >> 2. Re: Kindle version of Manual plus additions (Aarre Peltomaa) >> 3. Re: Responsibility by Leonard Dunn. to Martin (Aarre Peltomaa) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 22:26:24 -0500 >> From: Aarre Peltomaa <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions >> Message-ID: >> <canrdadqras1jiwcdbutbrl-iz4hnomw2evmxnrw42nibank...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Paul, >> Aarre >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Glen, >>> >>> Very well put. I couldn't agree more. >>> >>> Paul, Level 5 in progress >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:05 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or >>>> reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a >>>> way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he >>>> expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily >>>> understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of >>>> presenting this material. >>>> >>>> (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written >>>> document.) >>>> >>>> You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always >>>> interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. >>>> What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique >>>> understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or >>>> doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it >>>> would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). >>>> >>>> Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of >>>> interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or >>>> the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves. And, just like every >>>> Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their >>>> personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with >>>> some flexibility or wither. >> >>> ' I thought about this exactly the same way over a year ago, and also >>>> observed that; I still think that the original document should be as >>>> close to original source as possible, and then simpler (average guy) >>>> editions could exist also, as long as their authorship/source is stated >>>> bluntly in the beginning. Then individuals could slightly adjust the data >>>> as you stated in their application. This slight alteration insures the >>>> perpetuation of the work; According to LRH, to persist, there must be a >>>> slight alteration. A total duplication (AS - ISness) would theoretically >>>> cause a vanishment. The original document should be pristine however, so >>>> that wanderers could always come back to 'more' puritanical application >>>> when needed and wanted. Perhaps, allowing a slight alteration in >>>> application to fit more complementarily with each individual's postulate >>>> set quirks would allow the techniques to persist through time for a long, >>>> long, time.' Aarre Peltomaa >>>> p.s. does this sound correct at all ? >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be >>>> the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, >>>> especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all >>>> the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be >>>> gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that >>>> is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big >>>> step forward. >>>> >>>> (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing >>>> to see how well they actually work for most people will perform the biggest >>>> service of all.) >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/**mailman/listinfo/trom<http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20130205/13376927/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 22:33:09 -0500 >> From: Aarre Peltomaa <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions >> Message-ID: >> <CANrDadQ2-Fwjjvocy58BT17upzHbj=erxuke0owhyzuyhwf...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> This should have more correctly been sent to Glen, rather than Paul, >> Thanks, Aarre >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Aarre Peltomaa >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> Aarre >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Glen, >>>> >>>> Very well put. I couldn't agree more. >>>> >>>> Paul, Level 5 in progress >>>> >>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:05 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or >>>>> reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a >>>>> way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he >>>>> expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily >>>>> understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of >>>>> presenting this material. >>>>> >>>>> (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written >>>>> document.) >>>>> >>>>> You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always >>>>> interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. >>>>> What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique >>>>> understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or >>>>> doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it >>>>> would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). >>>>> >>>>> Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of >>>>> interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or >>>>> the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves. And, just like every >>>>> Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their >>>>> personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with >>>>> some flexibility or wither. >>> >>>> ' I thought about this exactly the same way over a year ago, and also >>>>> observed that; I still think that the original document should be as >>>>> close to original source as possible, and then simpler (average guy) >>>>> editions could exist also, as long as their authorship/source is stated >>>>> bluntly in the beginning. Then individuals could slightly adjust the >>>>> data >>>>> as you stated in their application. This slight alteration insures the >>>>> perpetuation of the work; According to LRH, to persist, there must be a >>>>> slight alteration. A total duplication (AS - ISness) would theoretically >>>>> cause a vanishment. The original document should be pristine however, so >>>>> that wanderers could always come back to 'more' puritanical application >>>>> when needed and wanted. Perhaps, allowing a slight alteration in >>>>> application to fit more complementarily with each individual's postulate >>>>> set quirks would allow the techniques to persist through time for a long, >>>>> long, time.' Aarre Peltomaa >>>>> p.s. does this sound correct at all ? >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be >>>>> the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, >>>>> especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all >>>>> the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be >>>>> gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that >>>>> is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big >>>>> step forward. >>>>> >>>>> (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing >>>>> to see how well they actually work for most people will perform the >>>>> biggest >>>>> service of all.) >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/**mailman/listinfo/trom<http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20130205/f47064f5/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 23:12:48 -0500 >> From: Aarre Peltomaa <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Responsibility by Leonard Dunn. to Martin >> Message-ID: >> <canrdadr_z53ftsrzxcofpiqwyqmuvkidq3kns0nzlls4kwa...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Paul, >> The highlighted in violet section really shook the earth under my feet; >> how true that is. It allows one to decide to act or to not act also. This >> will work well of course to the degree that one is uptone/ethical. >> Thanks much, >> Aarre >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> >>> Give Unto Caesar What is Caesar's and Unto God What is God's >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:33 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Intentional harm >>> >>> >>> By way of contrast, if ones sets out with the intention of harming >>> another then the backlash from this action will be in accordance with the >>> Law of Cause and Effect, That Which One Sows, One Reaps. The actual truth >>> is that one cannot harm another unless he has created the idea that he can >>> be harmed. This of course, is his responsibility. It follows logically >>> that one cannot be harmed unless one seeks to be so for the sake of >>> experience which may be a non-survival way of balancing up one's past >>> overts. That one is solely and totally responsible for everything that >>> happens in one's life by virtue of one having created it, for whatever >>> reason, is perhaps the most >>> difficult aspect of responsibility to understand, accept and put >>> into practice in one's life. It was this aspect that brought about my own >>> present life case completion. >>> >>> >>> The following is my take on making someone else guilty of an overt. This >>> action may have been like Martin states above, just a decision or making >>> another guilty and wrong or it could have been both at different instances >>> but they are both the same games condition of making another wrong, the >>> blame game. >>> >>> This is a very critical concept and a juncture in the change of one's >>> existence, well beyond any one life time just as Martin is saying. Basic >>> is the fact that the body can be harmed but not the spirit, the soul, the >>> Thetan. The basic true self, the spirit cannot be harmed and it is only >>> taken upon one's self as such through using the body or whatever beingness >>> or identity. If the Thetan is to be harmed it is because the spirit/Thetan >>> postulates that it is so about himself as a spirit. A Thetan can only be >>> trapped and harmed if he considers he is trapped and harmed and he will >>> play the darndest games to prove to others and himself that it is so. >>> Stupidity also plays a big part. >>> >>> It all started when the first overt was made. Ron mentions the very 1st >>> and 2nd overt in the State of Man lectures. At the level of Theta and >>> strictly in the realm of the Theta universe, the first overt, if there >>> truly ever was such a thing, to harm another, was when a Thetan made >>> another Thetan guilty of an overt act. The specific action here was one >>> Thetan blaming another for harming him. The stupidity comes into the >>> picture when the accused Thetan considers he has harmed another as the >>> other Thetan does a good job of pretending and demonstrating that he has >>> been harmed by the guilty Thetan. Not to difficult a performance for a >>> Thetan even without a body, a beingness. As this game went around, it >>> probably got better and better and even the accusing Thetan began to >>> believe, there just might be a way to harm a Thetan without his agreement. >>> After all, he had to continue to make the guilty party guilty, the ol' I'm >>> right and you're wrong game. Just more stupidity and game playing. Who >>> knows, possibly the accusing Thetan had a body or some identity at the time >>> to really demonstrate being harmed. >>> >>> With this 1st overt, that of making another guilty of an overt act, one >>> can now see how powerful and deadly this overt can be. By making the most >>> powerful guilty and showing that the MOST powerful could be harmed, the >>> seed was planted that could and would make the most powerful of all in all >>> universes succumb to being trapped and rendered down to nothing more than >>> an inconsequential grain of sand on a lonely uninhabited beach somewhere, >>> anywhere in a far off forgotten corner of the physical universe. >>> >>> For one to now look back at all of this, one can easily see that the game >>> of blame is this same insidious disabling,injuring and killing agent of >>> oneself and others who were once totally immune to any and all harm of any >>> nature. The beginning of the downfall of Theta and Thetans. >>> >>> If you have gotten this far, I hope you can see that Level 4 is the key >>> that opens the door to walking out of the trap and Level 5 is the walking >>> out. What must be accomplished on Level 4 is 'Freedom from Overwhelm'. >>> Without this Level 5 is only of minor benefit for you are not yet free >>> from overwhelm. I also want to point out that doing Level 4 to where one >>> can no longer see any more charge to run off by TimeBreaking is not a point >>> of completion without having achieved 'Freedom from Overwhelm'. Without >>> this 'Freedom', there still remains the seed to succumb. >>> >>> Once this is done, my experience has been a vast expansion of >>> understanding and knowledge. Being difficult to accept, it is not all that >>> surprising. Consequently many will raise every possible arguments against >>> its being so. The truth itself is quite simple but, as Dennis Stephens >>> said to me on his last tape before relinquishing his body 'truths are >>> always simple, complexities are just playing games'. This leads to the >>> rather startling concept that there are really no such things as accidents. >>> All occurs within the workings of the Laws of Life which I wrote about in >>> IVy No 18, already cited. >>> >>> >>> Feeling guilty >>> LRH said that to accept responsibility for anything, one had only to >>> admit openly that he had done that which was created. Once this was done >>> the incident disappears by virtue of being as-ised. I don't know if this >>> is necessarily true. It will occur when responsibility has really been >>> fully taken but just saying so may not be enough in all cases. >>> >>> >>> Shared responsibilities >>> There are many situations where shared responsibilities occur and I >>> have mentioned above a very simple example of this but the scale can be >>> very much larger in its scope and in the number of people involved. >>> Consider the complexities of responsibilities in regard to a war, for >>> example or the destruction of the earth's atmosphere by increasing >>> pollution. The complexity of this means that it is a game with no simple >>> solutions to it so that each one involved, voluntarily or involuntarily, >>> must assess his own degree of responsibility in regard to it. To simplify >>> the solution a little in regard to one's own measure of responsibility, one >>> must look at one's own intentions and actions or inactions in regard to the >>> situation and act or not act accordingly. >>> >>> >>> Possible lines of action >>> Here is the outline of a tool for counselling or for running TROM. >>> The former will have the wording 'Has another forced upon you ...?' The >>> latter 'Is there a game where you were overwhelmed with ...?' >>> >>> >>> Questions could be : >>> 1. Accept a responsibility that you did not desire. >>> 2. Prevent you from accepting a responsibility that you desire. >>> 3. Accept as yours, a responsibility that wasn't yours. >>> 4. Be irresponsible. >>> 5. Feel guilty. >>> >>> >>> Each question to be run on all four flows in order to cover every aspect >>> of it. >>> >>> >>> This I used with the client mentioned at the beginning of this article >>> but found that the use of the four flows on 1 was all that was needed >>> to complete the case by reason of the cognition which then occurred. Later >>> I told her that in reality this conclusion was not an end but the beginning >>> of ever increasing knowledge, understanding and opportunities . She has >>> already found this happening. >>> >>> >>> The Editor, Antony Phillips (internet address: [email protected]), >>> does have an Internet line for TROM and allied topics where opinions >>> and experiences can be shared. He will readily give you details of it. If, >>> like myself, you are not into having the necessary computer you can always >>> get in touch with me via himself or, for matters regarding TROM, to Judith >>> Methven who has had considerable experience with TROM. I am moderately well >>> versed in the theory but have had no practical experience since my case >>> completion occurred on a totally different route, which took very much >>> longer. >>> >>> >>> The price to be paid >>> >>> >>> When one lives to the best of one's ability and having regard for the >>> Laws of Life, then, as I have mentioned, new knowledge just flows in >>> and understanding increases. For one at this level, the price is one that >>> he is quite happy to pay. This price has been expressed in the injunction, >>> 'as you have freely received, so freely give'. I have told my clients that >>> there is no need for my personal recompense but just pass on to others that >>> which you have learnt and tell them to do the same. It works! LRH himself >>> said that ideally scientology should be given freely but then he went on to >>> find every reason why it couldn't be. That, perhaps, was the beginning of >>> the failure >>> of the C. of S. >>> >>> >>> The way ahead >>> >>> >>> Whilst I was thinking about the writing of this article it occurred to >>> me that those who are closely tied up with any 'ism, 'ology, or group >>> association may find it more difficult to reach a present life time >>> case completion. This is because too close an association with such >>> organizations tends to impose limitations of thought and actions. In the >>> course of time they all are liable to deteriorate to the level of 'the only >>> way'. Such an association may indeed be very valuable during one's lower >>> levels in one's development but when they become restrictive, it is time to >>> leave them. I went from christian to spiritualist to scientologist to the >>> unnamed freedom that I now enjoy. This freedom I have found to be essential >>> for me as I can not be restricted by others' set beliefs. Once one puts a >>> label on any sort of activity, it can tend to cause it to become limiting, >>> especially if it involves creating an organization. Since the separation >>> of the many old time scientologists from the C of S many have found or >>> created new forms of therapy and counseling. To me it is axiomatic that no >>> one way will be right for everyone but that each of them will meet the >>> needs of those who are able to gain from what it offers. This growth and >>> expansion is especially true of the USA as a glimpse through the adverts in >>> The Free Spirit will show. The only thing here that is not to my taste is >>> that some of them still offer their knowledge and services only to those >>> who can afford high prices. I feel that this in itself is highly likely in >>> the course of time to cause the founders to lose their games. >>> >>> >>> I agree with this assessment too. In addition, I would suggest that there >>> may be concepts and truths here and there which are true and worth while >>> and one should be able to note which those are and those which are not >>> worth while. There is the situation where one may accept a dogma or a >>> belief as a truth in the beginning and not be able to note the dogma or >>> faith until one has progressed beyond the need or the understanding of >>> either. That would only be possible as one continues to progress in >>> knowledge and understanding to higher and higher levels of truth. With >>> that I must say that one must continue incessantly with one's experience >>> and one's actions to understand those experiences. Need I say this then >>> tends to be an un-ending progression. This then also supports your >>> consideration of 'isms', 'ologies' and groups getting to a point where they >>> then become restrictive and limiting. Most, typically purport to be 'the' >>> answer and quite often say they are 'the only true answer'. All that >>> really does is say that there is a top, a limit to what exists and what can >>> exist, past, present and future. Obviously a very limiting viewpoint and >>> not the truth. >>> >>> Remember the effect that this eventually had on LRH. Others have offered >>> their new-found discoveries for no more than, or just a little over, the >>> cost of reproducing them. My personal knowledge of them has been Geoffrey >>> Filbert with his Excalibur Revisited, Dennis Stephens with TROM and >>> Flemming Funch with his two volumes of essays and his latest >>> work Transformational Dialogues. There are undoubtedly others but I have no >>> first hand knowledge of them. It does seem to me that these are the ones >>> who are on the right and most survival path. >>> >>> >>> A further warning is that one shouldn't make or imply false claims >>> or unattainable results. In the current edition of The Auditor at the time >>> of writing there is a banner headline in red: "Make it to full OT:- do >>> the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course at Ron's home". This implies that >>> doing so will make one full OT as defined by LRH. I have never heard of >>> anyone achieving that as yet and I am sure that we would have, had it >>> occurred. Irene Mumford (Mitchell) claimed that Dianasis would do this but >>> just before she left her body she said that she didn't think this could be >>> attained while still in a physical body. >>> >>> >>> Let me end by saying quite briefly that if one does not pass on freely >>> that which one has received, then the source and channel of that knowledge >>> is very likely to dry up. On the other hand, when one passes on one's >>> knowledge and experiences freely there is a never ending stream of new >>> concepts and the understanding of life that accompanies this. This is the >>> open channel to Spirit, Intuition or whatever you chose to call it but once >>> you've experienced, you can never doubt its reality and value. >>> >>> >>> Very true. Especially if one has a new understanding only common to >>> himself then that understanding and its knowledge will come to an end and >>> not go any further, it having been passed nowhere and it will not propagate >>> any further through time and space nor through the non-physical universe. >>> >>> It has been a while since you last posted here on TROM. I find your posts >>> enjoyable, worthwhile and thought provoking/stimulating. Where else do you >>> post? >>> >>> Paul, Level 5 in progress >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20130205/5276de05/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of Trom Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 >> ************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
