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Ok yeah there may be abberated things in Dennis. I don't worship him as a god. But I see no need to put him down either. However, let's find out if he was insane or abberated.
Question, does he wander or go directly from A to B? Second question, what are the characteristics of the insane? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:52 AM, David Pelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Juergen, > > There may well be some very high truths in TROM. > > But there is no bona fide supporting evidence that such truth in TROM > really exists. > > Bonafide: means that there is no evidence that is free of delusional > thinking, free of deceit and bullshit) > > Any evidence there is does not stand up to scrutiny. > > If there are any high level truths in TROM they are embedded amongst a lot of > aberration and bullshit. > > > Dennis is the first evidence of his bullshit. He was still totally fucked up > until he died, at the relatively young age of 67. > > > > > The only reason I am here and trying to do TROM is to put it through the > scrutiny of the claims, to see if any truths of any kind can be salvaged or > gleaned from the other wise heap of aberration and bullshit. > > If there are indeed any truths amidst the bullshit, and the truths > contained there in, are indeed complete enough that they can be worked into > a practical gradient and made into workable process to resolve my case or > others cases, so be it. > > That would be an ideal case scenario. > > Failing that, I would be content to find some useful morsels and add them to > what ever else I could find, to make a practical or doable solo process to > assist future initiates that may come along. > > I would not be happy with myself, if I did not do what ever I could, that > was within my means, to prevent others from going through the pain, agony, > frustration, and bullshit that I have so far, experienced with TROM, since > I began. > > My first stab at TROM was when I bought the hard cover TROM book in about > 98, from a fz magazine, which after trying for three yrs to read it, and > understand it, I gave up and threw it in the dumpster. > > I decided that the author lacked common sense, lacked good communication > skills, was totally incoherent, incongruent, irrational, unreasonable, > illogical and insane. > > > What I really find disconcerting is that you and others on this list tend to > deify Dennis, and argue to defend his insanity. > > > It takes a very feeble minded person to deify another human being, > especially an insane one. > > Actually it takes a person with no mind at all to do that. > > Because you have no mind, no common sense, no ability to reason and think for > yourself, > > no critical thinking skills, no bullshit detector, not able able to discern > right from wrong, or have a very poor ability to do so, > > someone else can easily suck you into adopting their aberrated mind and take > control of you. > > That happens in all cult groups. > > > > > David > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Jurgen Kluft <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> >> Hi David, >> >> Could not stop myself having to comment on this (must be known 😊) >> >> Logic dictates that if you have 2 individual statements explaining one event >> then they are either both false or just one of them is true, they cannot >> both be true. Since after reading Trom for a couple of times I understood >> most of it’s meaning means for me that your statement is false? >> >> If you read a book about someone’s experience of travelling all over the >> world it will not mean that you completely understand that person’s reality. >> The content of TROM explaining everything behind postulates is a difficult >> subject to immediately grasp, it is describing a high truth based reality, >> you have to do the exercises and gain experience and at some point read it >> again. Only in that manner will you at some point fully duplicate what is >> being communicated in the TROM manual. TROM is written from a state of truth >> that for most people is hard to understand and thus hard to duplicate. >> >> Note: Have you ever seen a person after reading the Tao te Ching, Zen, Koans >> that they immediately became enlightened? Some of them even had to be beaten >> with a stick many times before they had that ah ha moment. >> >> Jurgen >> >> From: David Pelly >> Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎January‎ ‎30‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎03‎ ‎AM >> To: TROM list >> >> Brian, >> >> The idea that someone should have to read something more than two or three >> times (very maximum four or five times) to understand it, or rather as in >> the case of TROM, begin to understand it, is stupid and insane (never mind >> 10 times or 40 times). >> >> >> >> High quality writings are such that the text flows and emotes it's meaning, >> it is alive, it emotes what the author wants the reader to know and >> understand, and does it clearly. >> >> The meaning, the intention jumps of the page and flows into the reader. >> >> If anyone should know how to do that, it is an accomplished and competent >> scientologist, one worth his salt. >> >> >> >> TROM emotes Dennis' very aberrated case. >> >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> >>>> Hello TROMers, >>>> >>>> My name's Brian and I have been doing TROM on and off now for a few years >>>> (more off than on unfortunately.) >>>> >>>> I was a Scientologist for 30+ years until 2007 when I announced my >>>> departure >>>> from the Co$. I am trained to class V as an auditor, done a couple L's >>>> (best >>>> auditing I ever had.) >>>> >>>> I've gotten a start on a book on TROM that I hope will present the subject >>>> in a simple and straightforward manner with no Scn lingo and examples that >>>> cover many questions asked here by new-comers. >>>> >>>> I must say that reading the TROM manual now over 10 times through has been >>>> quite useful (and listening/reading all of Dennis' talks.) If any of you >>>> have questions or disagreements (that'd be you Dave P.) you should just >>>> take >>>> another pass or 5 through the materials until you do get it. I have not >>>> found any mistakes in this tech as presented by Dennis. It lines up with >>>> perfect logical consistency. >>>> >>>> It's good to see the list come alive like it has in the last weeks. It's >>>> gotten me more motivated to get cranking on level 3. >>>> >>>> Namaste, >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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