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Thank you Roberto.
We'll said. Pete Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > David > > I did a little research on you and found you on a computer forum. The > pattern of your communication there was a deja vu to me: You asked > a question and then attacked those who, out of good will, answered. > (I can supply the links.) > > I care for TROM and this forum, that's my motive. Your comments are > invalidating and they give newcomers an excuse for not trying to > understand TROM. They think: Ahhhh Dennies lies - no wonder I do not > understand it... > > I quote your own words from the forum mentioned above: > "... Relatively speaking, I am far from a fully normal fully competent > person, but I am a lot better than I used to be. ..." > > Your excuse there, as on this forum was "having had a difficult > childhood". As level 3 gets a person in peace with its past, this > should give you a hint to your current level. > > Doing TROM is the way to understand it and to benefit from it, not > talking about it and the world in general and all those other beautiful > methods that we also could talk about and and bla and bla and isn't > it interesting and bla and bla and bla. > > So, to end on a positive note for you, I must grant you the satisfaction > that you won a good couple of games against me: > > - I just used the time that I had planned for a session to battle hard with > the English language (I am German speaking) and write this post. > - I feel bad about having criticized and exposed you. > - I feel quite a bit ARC-broken with quite a few posters on this forum, > because I expected them to spot your intentions a long time ago. > > You see, against me you are winning all the way. > > Roberto > > > > > From: David Pelly [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:53 PM > To: The Resolution of Mind list > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Duplication (In reply to David) > > Juergen, > > There may well be some very high truths in TROM. > > But there is no bona fide supporting evidence that such truth in TROM > really exists. > > Bonafide: means that there is no evidence that is free of delusional > thinking, free of deceit and bullshit) > > Any evidence there is does not stand up to scrutiny. > > If there are any high level truths in TROM they are embedded amongst a lot of > aberration and bullshit. > > Dennis is the first evidence of his bullshit. He was still totally fucked up > until he died, at the relatively young age of 67. > > > > The only reason I am here and trying to do TROM is to put it through the > scrutiny of the claims, to see if any truths of any kind can be salvaged or > gleaned from the other wise heap of aberration and bullshit. > > If there are indeed any truths amidst the bullshit, and the truths > contained there in, are indeed complete enough that they can be worked into > a practical gradient and made into workable process to resolve my case or > others cases, so be it. > > That would be an ideal case scenario. > > Failing that, I would be content to find some useful morsels and add them to > what ever else I could find, to make a practical or doable solo process to > assist future initiates that may come along. > > I would not be happy with myself, if I did not do what ever I could, that > was within my means, to prevent others from going through the pain, agony, > frustration, and bullshit that I have so far, experienced with TROM, since > I began. > > My first stab at TROM was when I bought the hard cover TROM book in about > 98, from a fz magazine, which after trying for three yrs to read it, and > understand it, I gave up and threw it in the dumpster. > > I decided that the author lacked common sense, lacked good communication > skills, was totally incoherent, incongruent, irrational, unreasonable, > illogical and insane. > > What I really find disconcerting is that you and others on this list tend to > deify Dennis, and argue to defend his insanity. > > It takes a very feeble minded person to deify another human being, > especially an insane one. > > Actually it takes a person with no mind at all to do that. > > Because you have no mind, no common sense, no ability to reason and think for > yourself, > > no critical thinking skills, no bullshit detector, not able able to discern > right from wrong, or have a very poor ability to do so, > > someone else can easily suck you into adopting their aberrated mind and take > control of you. > > That happens in all cult groups. > > > > David > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Jurgen Kluft <[email protected]> > wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Hi David, > > Could not stop myself having to comment on this (must be known 😊) > > Logic dictates that if you have 2 individual statements explaining one event > then they are either both false or just one of them is true, they cannot both > be true. Since after reading Trom for a couple of times I understood most of > it’s meaning means for me that your statement is false? > > If you read a book about someone’s experience of travelling all over the > world it will not mean that you completely understand that person’s reality. > The content of TROM explaining everything behind postulates is a difficult > subject to immediately grasp, it is describing a high truth based reality, > you have to do the exercises and gain experience and at some point read it > again. Only in that manner will you at some point fully duplicate what is > being communicated in the TROM manual. TROM is written from a state of truth > that for most people is hard to understand and thus hard to duplicate. > > Note: Have you ever seen a person after reading the Tao te Ching, Zen, Koans > that they immediately became enlightened? Some of them even had to be beaten > with a stick many times before they had that ah ha moment. > > Jurgen > > From: David Pelly > Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎January‎ ‎30‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎03‎ ‎AM > To: TROM list > > Brian, > > The idea that someone should have to read something more than two or three > times (very maximum four or five times) to understand it, or rather as in > the case of TROM, begin to understand it, is stupid and insane (never mind 10 > times or 40 times). > > High quality writings are such that the text flows and emotes it's meaning, > it is alive, it emotes what the author wants the reader to know and > understand, and does it clearly. > > The meaning, the intention jumps of the page and flows into the reader. > > If anyone should know how to do that, it is an accomplished and competent > scientologist, one worth his salt. > > > TROM emotes Dennis' very aberrated case. > > > > David > > > > Hello TROMers, > > My name's Brian and I have been doing TROM on and off now for a few years > (more off than on unfortunately.) > > I was a Scientologist for 30+ years until 2007 when I announced my departure > from the Co$. I am trained to class V as an auditor, done a couple L's (best > auditing I ever had.) > > I've gotten a start on a book on TROM that I hope will present the subject > in a simple and straightforward manner with no Scn lingo and examples that > cover many questions asked here by new-comers. > > I must say that reading the TROM manual now over 10 times through has been > quite useful (and listening/reading all of Dennis' talks.) If any of you > have questions or disagreements (that'd be you Dave P.) you should just take > another pass or 5 through the materials until you do get it. I have not > found any mistakes in this tech as presented by Dennis. It lines up with > perfect logical consistency. > > It's good to see the list come alive like it has in the last weeks. It's > gotten me more motivated to get cranking on level 3. > > Namaste, > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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