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Hi Roberto
Thank you for this posting. I agree with you.
Regards
Dave Langley
On 31/01/2014 20:44, [email protected] wrote:
David
I did a little research on you and found you on a computer forum. The
pattern of your communication there was a deja vu to me: You asked
a question and then attacked those who, out of good will, answered.
(I can supply the links.)
I care for TROM and this forum, that's my motive. Your comments are
invalidating and they give newcomers an excuse for not trying to
understand TROM. They think: Ahhhh Dennies lies - no wonder I do not
understand it...
I quote your own words from the forum mentioned above:
/"... Relatively speaking, I am far from a fully normal fully competent/
/person, but I am a lot better than I used to be. ..."/
Your excuse there, as on this forum was "having had a difficult
childhood". As level 3 gets a person in peace with its past, this
should give you a hint to your current level.
Doing TROM is the way to understand it and to benefit from it, not
talking about it and the world in general and all those other beautiful
methods that we also could talk about and and bla and bla and isn't
it interesting and bla and bla and bla.
So, to end on a positive note for you, I must grant you the satisfaction
that you won a good couple of games against me:
- I just used the time that I had planned for a session to battle hard
with
the English language (I am German speaking) and write this post.
- I feel bad about having criticized and exposed you.
- I feel quite a bit ARC-broken with quite a few posters on this forum,
because I expected them to spot your intentions a long time ago.
You see, against me you are winning all the way.
Roberto
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*From:*David Pelly [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:53 PM
*To:* The Resolution of Mind list
*Subject:* Re: [TROM1] Duplication (In reply to David)
Juergen,
There may well be some very high truths in TROM.
But there is no bona fide supporting evidence that such truth in
TROM really exists.
Bonafide: means that there is no evidence that is free of delusional
thinking, free of deceit and bullshit)
Any evidence there is does not stand up to scrutiny.
If there are any high level truths in TROM they are embedded amongst a
lot of aberration and bullshit.
Dennis is the first evidence of his bullshit. He was still totally
fucked up until he died, at the relatively young age of 67.
The only reason I am here and trying to do TROM is to put it through
the scrutiny of the claims, to see if any truths of any kind can be
salvaged or gleaned from the other wise heap of aberration and bullshit.
If there are indeed any truths amidst the bullshit, and the truths
contained there in, are indeed complete enough that they can be
worked into a practical gradient and made into workable process to
resolve my case or others cases, so be it.
That would be an ideal case scenario.
Failing that, I would be content to find some useful morsels and add
them to what ever else I could find, to make a practical or doable
solo process to assist future initiates that may come along.
I would not be happy with myself, if I did not do what ever I could,
that was within my means, to prevent others from going through the
pain, agony, frustration, and bullshit that I have so far,
experienced with TROM, since I began.
My first stab at TROM was when I bought the hard cover TROM book in
about 98, from a fz magazine, which after trying for three yrs to read
it, and understand it, I gave up and threw it in the dumpster.
I decided that the author lacked common sense, lacked good
communication skills, was totally incoherent, incongruent,
irrational, unreasonable, illogical and insane.
What I really find disconcerting is that you and others on this list
tend to deify Dennis, and argue to defend his insanity.
It takes a very feeble minded person to deify another human being,
especially an insane one.
Actually it takes a person with no mind at all to do that.
Because you have no mind, no common sense, no ability to reason and
think for yourself,
no critical thinking skills, no bullshit detector, not able able to
discern right from wrong, or have a very poor ability to do so,
someone else can easily suck you into adopting their aberrated mind
and take control of you.
That happens in all cult groups.
David
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Hi David,
Could not stop myself having to comment on this (must be known ?)
Logic dictates that if you have 2 individual statements explaining one
event then they are either both false or just one of them is true,
they cannot both be true. Since after reading Trom for a couple of
times I understood most of it's meaning means for me that your
statement is false?
If you read a book about someone's experience of travelling all over
the world it will not mean that you completely understand that
person's reality.
The content of TROM explaining everything behind postulates is a
difficult subject to immediately grasp, it is describing a high truth
based reality, you have to do the exercises and gain experience and at
some point read it again. Only in that manner will you at some point
fully duplicate what is being communicated in the TROM manual. TROM is
written from a state of truth that for most people is hard to
understand and thus hard to duplicate.
Note: Have you ever seen a person after reading the Tao te Ching, Zen,
Koans that they immediately became enlightened? Some of them even had
to be beaten with a stick many times before they had that ah ha moment.
Jurgen
*From:*David Pelly <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* ?Thursday?, ?January? ?30?, ?2014 ?10?:?03? ?AM
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Brian,
The idea that someone should have to read something more than two or
three times (very maximum four or five times) to understand it, or
rather as in the case of TROM, begin to understand it, is stupid and
insane (never mind 10 times or 40 times).
High quality writings are such that the text flows and emotes it's
meaning, it is alive, it emotes what the author wants the reader to
know and understand, and does it clearly.
The meaning, the intention jumps of the page and flows into the reader.
If anyone should know how to do that, it is an accomplished and
competent scientologist, one worth his salt.
TROM emotes Dennis' very aberrated case.
David
Hello TROMers,
My name's Brian and I have been doing TROM on and off now for
a few years
(more off than on unfortunately.)
I was a Scientologist for 30+ years until 2007 when I
announced my departure
from the Co$. I am trained to class V as an auditor, done a
couple L's (best
auditing I ever had.)
I've gotten a start on a book on TROM that I hope will present
the subject
in a simple and straightforward manner with no Scn lingo and
examples that
cover many questions asked here by new-comers.
I must say that reading the TROM manual now over 10 times
through has been
quite useful (and listening/reading all of Dennis' talks.) If
any of you
have questions or disagreements (that'd be you Dave P.) you
should just take
another pass or 5 through the materials until you do get it. I
have not
found any mistakes in this tech as presented by Dennis. It
lines up with
perfect logical consistency.
It's good to see the list come alive like it has in the last
weeks. It's
gotten me more motivated to get cranking on level 3.
Namaste,
Brian
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