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Hi,
my name is Eli, and I would like to know who has done level 5 at least one
run through.

Thank you.

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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 11

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I'm with Coleen on this one. When a being strikes out on its own, its first
impulse in my opinion is "to know." That initial curiosity leads to eventual
entrapment at least in the case of life on this planet. 

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> Hello Svoboda,
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> That is the way I always understood it -- everything matches in the 
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> There is no problem running Level 4.
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> Hello, Pete,
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> If one looks at the most basic incident possible, a type of first 
> separation to create persistency of the creation, the being wanted "To 
> Know" better his creation, and all aspects of the goal set were put in 
> place, and at this time I feel the first -- if there was a first -- goal
> was "To Know".   He had to create something and do a reflexive
> not-know/not-be-known  My current understanding is that the prime 
> being/viewpoint was less interested in being known by its creation as it
> was in knowing its creation better.   I would not swear to this on a stack
> of Bibles and is only a subjective viewing with hopefully some logic.  
> It seems to me what you are talking about is the first being that 
> experienced or had the consideration of being the effect.  I see a "wall"
between these
> two -- a wall which gets broken down using practices in Trom.   Based on
> what I've seen so far I'm sticking with "To Know" as the general
descriptor.
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> colleen
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> I will emphasize the idea of equal importance of all four legs. If I must
to maintain own human existence as a spiritual being ( I must be known as a
human ), I also mustn't be known as  someone else, and I must know through
the senses of the human body and not to know through other means. But why?
Divine curiosity. What happens if I take a certain place in space and take a
specific wavelength? I just want to know what will happen because of this.
Curiosity on the scale CDEI. 
> By the way, Curiosity is the point of exit from the area of desires that
are prone to degradation.
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> What is the core of the case? Is my desire to be human? Is my desire not
to be a free spirit, God? Is my desire to know the piece, which is available
for human perception? Is my desire not to know the worlds of perception of
other beings?
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