************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi Roberto Excellent point!
The postulates are not the words used to describe them. Must is the word used to indicate high importance. The words describing the postulates in the basic goals package are: Be known Be not known Know Not know These are only labels Dennis used to name and approximately describe the postulates. My point is that,to be uniform, we should name all the packages by the words used for the leg 1 postulate. For the student of TROM it's vital to know what the actual postulate is that is meant by the label "be known". My definition in different words is to say "be known" is that intent to be recognized to exist by others. To get picked to play on the team. To not be ignored by others when you are in the same room. In TROM it is necessary to get this understanding when the words "be known" occur in the text. Likewise for the word "know". It should invoke the postulate that is a demand to perceive the item you want to know. Sincerely Pete Sent from my iPad > On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:22 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Pete > > Here is where my understanding differs. To me "to know" isn't a postulate > it's the theme, the subject, the topic (whatever english word fits best). > And under this heading we find the four legs/postulates. > > And in the legs there isn't a "to know" only a "must know" You couldn't add > "must" to the name of the goals package. A name isn't a postulate. > > Roberto > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Pete Mclaughlin [mailto:[email protected]] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. August 2014 19:11 >> An: The Resolution of Mind list >> Betreff: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 8 >> >> Hi Svoboda >> Ok, what is the infinitive of be known? Isn't it "to be known". >> >> To be known is not the same as to know. They are complementary postulates > so >> they cannot be the same thing. >> >> To be known means I want others to know I exist. >> To know means I want to know others. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Svoboda Vladimir <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Roberto wrote: >>> "To control >>> I must control (outflow) or I must be controlled (inflow) >>> To have >>> I must let someone have something (outflow) or must >>> have it for myself >>> (inflow) >>> To love >>> I must love someone (outflow) or must be loved by >>> someone (inflow) >>> To know >>> I must be known (outflow) or I must know (inflow)" >>> >>> Excellent! >>> >>> Pete, I will try to guess: have you decided that a basic package is "to > be known" >> from the fact that the leg "to be known" is the number 1 in the first > explanation >> about postulate failure chart (on pages 30, 31 your edition of TROM)? >>> We should build packages of goals from infinitive of the verb: to know, > to love, >> and so on. Therefore, the main package named " to know". >>> Infinitive: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitive >>> >>> If to say about the importance of the goal, all the goals from the > package are >> equally important. We take them IN ORDER TO KNOW how it will be or won't > be, >> what will happen or won't happen and what we will perceive or won't when > the goal >> is reached. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
