************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ I once thought the theory describes the real world. I even confused the theory and the real world. I was looking through the lens of my intentions and limitations of my own reality Now I realized my mistake.
16.08.2014, 22:59, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE Just As is. KNOW! (Colleen K. Peltomaa) > 2. Re: Feedback on "Must be Known" (Paul Tipon) > 3. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 26 (Svoboda Vladimir) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:46:16 -0400 > From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TROM1] RE Just As is. KNOW! > Message-ID: > <caf4m2-3jn-gwaokhf9+tgeq3m0tkwma7ousu-hsr2ds5vpo...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, Alberto. You remind me there is compulsion and sensation > attached to the goal set of To Know and To be Known. Could KNOW also be > AWARE? > > colleen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140816/cb850084/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:53:00 -0700 > From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Feedback on "Must be Known" > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > Hi Pete and All, > > I would like to clarify the following. When one is looking at the > terms 'To .....' and 'To Be ..... , those are not the postulates. > Those terms refer to postulates that will make those terms an effect > and are a goal to be achieved. > > Also always keep in mind that 'Know' and 'Not Know are the postulates > that you and everyone else are using and apply only to that one > individual that is postulating that and no one else. So for one to > Postulate that another, others will 'Know' or 'Not Know' is wrong, an > oxymoron for one does not make postulates for anyone but his self. > To say that I postulate Fred will know or not know is false, a false > idea. Not a postulate for Fred at all. One can only put out an > effect for Fred to observe. If he doesn't 'Know' or decides to 'Not > Know', one can put out another effect out which involves force such > as a tap on the shoulder, pointing, shouting and various other more > forceful effects. One should always be careful not to harm or kill > Fred in the process or cause Fred to decide to counter-force in some > fashion and react to the force rather than the effect. If that > occurs you don't have the subject of Know going on but of force/ > counter-force and the effect of the force/counter-force. > > One of the biggest problems going on with this discussion thread is > that communication is not full, adequate and complete. This > discussion is not getting to the correct focal point and therefore > not coming to any kind of a truth and just keeps going around and > around. It is not the languages fault but that of those not > thoroughly applying the language to correctly and fully get an idea > across. Such does not allow a truth to be recognized. It's just > that the truth is not being communicated but something else being > incomplete and easily connoted as something else other than the truth > that is being communicated. > > I am not doing this to make Pete wrong in any way. I just want to > clarify and point out that the statement is incomplete and possibly > mis-leading for by not being complete, it opens the door to other, > different ideas than the truth that is being communicated. As an > example, see the below in red and green. > > There can be only postulates which create an effect, an effect in the > physical or non-physical universe. A postulate that does something > to another spiritual entity does not exist but may seem to, depending > on what another spiritual entity decides to do (effect postulated in > response to an effect) about the effect being observed. > > This is a given, an absolute that one must forever and always be > aware of if one ever wishes to be a Master Game Player or no game > player at all. I hope this helps. > > Paul, keep on TROMming > > On Aug 15, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >> Hi Jesus >> The words used to describe the postulates are not the postulates. >> The words are only labels that we use so we can communicate about >> the postulates. >> >> In reading over your statements I see that you are saying the to be >> known and to know postulates are all about creating stuff as in >> inanimate objects. >> You end with a confusion on whether to know is actually the >> creative postulate. >> >> Dennis did spend a lot of time talking about creating effects in >> the TROM manual and this is misleading. >> >> The cognition I had that started my effort to change the label for >> the basic goals package to "to be known" was that creating effects >> is only being done so that I can get others to know that I am here. > > This last phrase in green is more appropriately stated by saying ... > 'others have been presented an effect which they may observe and from > that observation decide to 'Know' or decide to 'Not Know' that I am > here. There is no other power or ability that I or anyone else > possesses other than to cause an effect which others may or may not > observe. This is true for any and all universes when discussing > individuals, spiritual or physical or whatever. >> This is the most important thing to learn from the level 5 of TROM. >> I CREATE EFFECTS SO OTHERS WILL NOTICE I AM HERE. > > ... have the opportunity to notice [via the effect I present that] ... >> I want to be known and I want others to know me. >> >> Creating stuff doesn't matter except as it serves this purpose. >> >> So "to be known" means I want to be known by others. This is the >> most important goal and why it is the purpose behind all the other >> goals a person has. >> >> Does this make it clear why I want to change the label for the >> basic goals package to "to be known" and do you now agree the >> change would be helpful? >> >> Sincerely >> Pete > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140816/2811ad31/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:59:19 +0400 > From: Svoboda Vladimir <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 26 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140816/c6135565/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 29 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
