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3. Which came first? (Pete Mclaughlin)
4. Re: To Be Known (Paul Tipon)
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:11:27 -0700
From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 121, Issue 11
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Hi Llewellin,
I read Colleen's post but was not able to fully get the gist of what
she was saying so I can't comment on that. However, 'To Know' is not
the mechanism of a trap. The mechanism which entraps is 'Not Know'.
Since one can always 'Know', if one would in fact simply 'Know',
which is an inherent ability of the being, then one could never be
trapped for it is the decision to 'Not Know' that will keep one in a
situation or condition without any hope of every getting out or
becoming free. The all encompassing truth is ... "The Truth shall
set you Free". Lies, the unknowns derived from 'Not Know' are what
entrap.
If one were to know what he really was and what he was really capable
of as a being there would not be a trap or any trapping at all. It
is one's decision to 'Not Know' that entraps one.
Paul, keep on TROMming
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I'm with Coleen on this one. When a being strikes out on its own,
its first impulse in my opinion is "to know." That initial
curiosity leads to eventual entrapment at least in the case of life
on this planet.
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:03:10 -0400
From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <[email protected]>
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Hello Svoboda,
That is the way I always understood it -- everything matches in the
infinitive.
There is no problem running Level 4.
colleen
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:16:49 -0400
From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <[email protected]>
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Hello, Pete,
If one looks at the most basic incident possible, a type of first
separation to create persistency of the creation, the being wanted
"To
Know" better his creation, and all aspects of the goal set were
put in
place, and at this time I feel the first -- if there was a first
-- goal
was "To Know". He had to create something and do a reflexive
not-know/not-be-known My current understanding is that the prime
being/viewpoint was less interested in being known by its creation
as it
was in knowing its creation better. I would not swear to this on
a stack
of Bibles and is only a subjective viewing with hopefully some
logic. It
seems to me what you are talking about is the first being that
experienced
or had the consideration of being the effect. I see a "wall"
between these
two -- a wall which gets broken down using practices in Trom.
Based on
what I've seen so far I'm sticking with "To Know" as the general
descriptor.
colleen
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:57:26 +0400
From: Svoboda Vladimir <[email protected]>
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I will emphasize the idea of equal importance of all four legs. If
I must to maintain own human existence as a spiritual being ( I
must be known as a human ), I also mustn't be known as someone
else, and I must know through the senses of the human body and not
to know through other means. But why? Divine curiosity. What
happens if I take a certain place in space and take a specific
wavelength? I just want to know what will happen because of this.
Curiosity on the scale CDEI.
By the way, Curiosity is the point of exit from the area of
desires that are prone to degradation.
What is the core of the case? Is my desire to be human? Is my
desire not to be a free spirit, God? Is my desire to know the
piece, which is available for human perception? Is my desire not
to know the worlds of perception of other beings?
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:12:18 -0700
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Sounds good to me.
Sincerely
Pete
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I will emphasize the idea of equal importance of all four legs. If I
must to maintain own human existence as a spiritual being ( I must be
known as a human ), I also mustn't be known as someone else, and I
must know through the senses of the human body and not to know
through other means. But why? Divine curiosity. What happens if I
take a certain place in space and take a specific wavelength? I just
want to know what will happen because of this. Curiosity on the scale
CDEI.
By the way, Curiosity is the point of exit from the area of desires
that are prone to degradation.
What is the core of the case? Is my desire to be human? Is my desire
not to be a free spirit, God? Is my desire to know the piece, which
is available for human perception? Is my desire not to know the
worlds of perception of other beings?
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:30:36 -0700
From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]>
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Subject: [TROM1] Which came first?
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Hi Colleen
First comes desire then comes creation (be known) then comes desire
to know what you created then comes reasons why you did it.
This is the sequence that Dennis presents.
So first was desire but the first postulate was to be known only
after that was done was there anything to know.
This sequence is what you are describing in your statement followed
by " the being wanted "To
Know" better his creation,".
Obviously the being did the creating and then wanted to know what he
had done.
So Dennis was right. The first postulate was "be known".
Sincerely
Pete
Hello, Pete,
If one looks at the most basic incident possible, a type of first
separation to create persistency of the creation, the being wanted "To
Know" better his creation, and all aspects of the goal set were put in
place, and at this time I feel the first -- if there was a first --
goal
was "To Know". He had to create something and do a reflexive
not-know/not-be-known My current understanding is that the prime
being/viewpoint was less interested in being known by its creation as
it
was in knowing its creation better. I would not swear to this on a
stack
of Bibles and is only a subjective viewing with hopefully some
logic. It
seems to me what you are talking about is the first being that
experienced
or had the consideration of being the effect. I see a "wall" between
these
two -- a wall which gets broken down using practices in Trom.
