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Hi Eli,
If you spotted that I'm not a Level 5 completion, you're quite right.
Just finishing Level 3. Probably anyone who had completed 5 would no
longer characterise themselves as being in any one leg of the basic
package; Dennis Stephens spoke in the past tense about having been a
Must Know.
My main point is the same as yours, that all the original materials of
TROM need to be kept available in their original form. Any responsible
editor who corrects spelling or punctuation should be up-front and
transparent about this; I believe I've done so in the pdf file of the
TROM Manual on my blog. And I'm sure Pete will be equally transparent
with any new edition that he publishes, allowing readers to easily make
comparisons with earlier versions.
Cheers,
David
On 21/08/2014 2:30 am, Eli Gutierrez wrote:
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The original writing by Dennis for the sake of accuracy and avoidance
of
alter-is should be kept in their original form.
Any opinions, "improvements", or revisions should be made available in
a
different book, pamphlet or whatever.
TROM should not go the way of other disciplines that after some time
had
elapsed , they became unworkable.
It's my impression that many who have expressed opinions about TROM
have one
characteristic in common,
no completion of Level 5. Some have not completed even Level 3. It's
not my
intention to invalidate anyone's think,
but TROM is not done by discussing it, or trying to "improve" it; it is
done
by actually doing the Levels.
When we get a sizable group of Level 5 completions, then changes may be
considered.
I was a Course Supervisor and an Auditor in an Org. for five years. In
the
comments I have read in this List, MU phenomena
and just down right natter have been displayed. Then, before we go on
changing TROM, make sure the tech has been
totally word cleared. On something as important as TROM is, caution
should
prevail.
Eli G.
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Hi Pete,
I agree with those who have suggested that a discussion on whether the
basic
package should be called 'to be known' or 'to know' could be placed in
an
editor's note or commentary.
Opinion on which (if either) is more basic can change with a person's
progress, and also according to the leg of the basic game they are
currently
in. I've been a 'must know' all this lifetime, so my first rash
impulse
might be to assert that knowing is all-important and creating things to
be
known is just a means to that end. But that would be a partisan
opinion.
Each game package is a four-celled matrix formed from two dichotomies:
active/passive and positive/negative. Since all the other games
packages are
lebelled by the active positive leg (to see, to reason etc) it appears
logical to label the basic package in the same way. To know is
grammatically
an active verb, even though it's an inflow. To be known is a passive
verb,
even though it's an outflow.
Not that it matters, as long as a reader can follow the decisions an
editor
has made. I think the original division into Know and Be Known must be
prior
to any time stream, as time and individuation only began when games got
going.
Cheers,
David
http://adarsajnana.wordpress.com/
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Hi all
Ok we have had the debate. I need a vote.
Would you buy the books in paperback if I changed the references to
the basic goals package in the books from "to know" to "to be known"?
Please respond with an email so I can total up the answers.
Thanks
Pete
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