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I was not evaluating the progress of your case. When I first decided to do TROM I downloaded the list and read it from Aug 2004 to present, to get an appreciation of the group. My intention was to see who had a good grasp of the tech and who had good results. This would allow me to have a safe terminal when I started doing the process. But there is a lot of discussion and mental gymnastics akin to the argument of how many angels can dance on the tip of a pin, and very little on Level completions or success on having done any one Level. This is not to invalidate anyone, or all in the group. Sometimes an outsider can see more because he has not interiorized into the game that's being played. It should always be considered, that when people are having difficulty grasping the theory and concepts behind a process, the trouble may only be a dramatization of their own case. After all processes are about case, and their study will result in some restim. That's understandable, but that is the very reason why caution should prevail and the need for Level 5 completions to put their two cents worth, as they would have processed beyond the restim of the process. In the meantime, "easy as She goes". Best wishes. Elí G. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:47 AM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: Re: [TROM1] Should I print the books ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi Eli, If you spotted that I'm not a Level 5 completion, you're quite right. Just finishing Level 3. Probably anyone who had completed 5 would no longer characterise themselves as being in any one leg of the basic package; Dennis Stephens spoke in the past tense about having been a Must Know. My main point is the same as yours, that all the original materials of TROM need to be kept available in their original form. Any responsible editor who corrects spelling or punctuation should be up-front and transparent about this; I believe I've done so in the pdf file of the TROM Manual on my blog. And I'm sure Pete will be equally transparent with any new edition that he publishes, allowing readers to easily make comparisons with earlier versions. Cheers, David On 21/08/2014 2:30 am, Eli Gutierrez wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > The original writing by Dennis for the sake of accuracy and avoidance > of alter-is should be kept in their original form. > Any opinions, "improvements", or revisions should be made available in > a different book, pamphlet or whatever. > TROM should not go the way of other disciplines that after some time > had elapsed , they became unworkable. > It's my impression that many who have expressed opinions about TROM > have one characteristic in common, no completion of Level 5. Some have > not completed even Level 3. It's not my intention to invalidate > anyone's think, but TROM is not done by discussing it, or trying to > "improve" it; it is done by actually doing the Levels. > When we get a sizable group of Level 5 completions, then changes may > be considered. > I was a Course Supervisor and an Auditor in an Org. for five years. In > the comments I have read in this List, MU phenomena and just down > right natter have been displayed. Then, before we go on changing TROM, > make sure the tech has been totally word cleared. On something as > important as TROM is, caution should prevail. > > Eli G. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:24 AM > To: The Resolution of Mind list > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Should I print the books > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Pete, > > I agree with those who have suggested that a discussion on whether the > basic package should be called 'to be known' or 'to know' could be > placed in an editor's note or commentary. > > Opinion on which (if either) is more basic can change with a person's > progress, and also according to the leg of the basic game they are > currently in. I've been a 'must know' all this lifetime, so my first > rash impulse might be to assert that knowing is all-important and > creating things to be known is just a means to that end. But that > would be a partisan opinion. > > Each game package is a four-celled matrix formed from two dichotomies: > active/passive and positive/negative. Since all the other games > packages are lebelled by the active positive leg (to see, to reason > etc) it appears logical to label the basic package in the same way. To > know is grammatically an active verb, even though it's an inflow. To > be known is a passive verb, even though it's an outflow. > > Not that it matters, as long as a reader can follow the decisions an > editor has made. I think the original division into Know and Be Known > must be prior to any time stream, as time and individuation only began > when games got going. > > Cheers, > > David > http://adarsajnana.wordpress.com/ > > > > On 18/08/2014 5:49 am, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Hi all >> Ok we have had the debate. I need a vote. >> >> Would you buy the books in paperback if I changed the references to >> the basic goals package in the books from "to know" to "to be known"? >> >> Please respond with an email so I can total up the answers. >> >> Thanks >> Pete >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
