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Thanks for the response Pete,
It's good to have some simplicity ready to apply in practice! I seem to add complexities to these processes for some reason. It took me a year of trying RI off and on until I started getting some results consistently. I suppose I need to keep the practice and study bounded to some well defined limits with some discipline, like a routine, as to get more consistent reference points. Also, many thanks to Leôncio for the off-list assistance and point of view. Cheers all Keep on Tromming :) On Aug 28, 2015 8:50 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Trom List Questions (The Resolution of Mind list) > 2. Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions > (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:49:01 -0700 > From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > HI Marcus > And welcome to TROM. > > I checked you email address in the TROM list management site and it is > good. I removed you moderate status so you can now email to the list. > > You run RI till it brings your attention into present time. Continuing to > run the process will just continue to put your attention in present time so > you can not overrun the process. Run RI till your memories of past upsets > quiet down and no longer distract you from present time. At this point RI > is "topped up" and you are ready to start the next process or end session. > > An E-meter is only useful if you are already an expert on using the > E-meter in sessions. If you have to learn how to use it while running a > process it will distract you from running the process and put you out of > session. So it's best to run TROM without an E-meter. > > Being distracted while running the process is your reactive mind (memories > of past upset) pulling your attention off the process you are running. > continue running the process till these distractions subside and you can > run the process un interrupted. This is the "no more change" point Dennis > talks about that indicates the process is null and you need to move on the > next process in the program. > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Dear Marcus, > > > > Thanks for your mail. I have forwarded this reply on to the Trom list > (if you get a second copy that way that that means you know you'r on the > list!). Hopefully among those on the list there are some willing to help > you. > > > > I have also Bcced it to the list administrator so you should get that > problem sorted out. > > > > I am sort of 80% retired from the TROM field, so that's all I'm going to > do ;-). > > > > All best wishes, > > > > Antony. > > > > > > At 07:53 27-08-2015, Marcus Tofanelli wrote: > >> Hello Ant, > >> > >> I hope that things are all good with you. I'm sorry to be 'cold' > mailing you like this but I seem to not be able to get an email through to > the Trom list mail. Not sure if I don't have the right membership, or if my > emails are even getting to the administrator. > >> > >> I'm a newbie to the self-clearing material and from Brazil. I never > went to any scientology meetings or auditions, which I think exist only in > one city in my coutry. I did read Self-Clearing by Ken and TROM and lots of > old Trom-list posts. I'm also kind of a loner and not sure if I could > handle co-auditing. > >> > >> So, if you could pass along these questions or address them yourself > maybe it would be quite a help to me and maybe to others. > >> > >> 1) My biggest sticking point is not knowing whether I'm overrun during > RI (I can reliably sense changes here) or the similarities and differences > drill (Level 2). Should I get a meter and learn how to use it or is there a > way to learn to spot this phenomena as a newbie? > >> > >> And > >> > >> 2) I seem to get distracted a lot during self-auditing and it feels > like I'm losing the momentum that the process was getting and then it takes > some time to get it going again. Would appreciate some tips to address this. > >> > >> Thanks for your time! > >> > >> -- > >> Marcus Franchi > >> > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 2015.0.6125 / Virus Database: 4409/10512 - Release Date: > 08/25/15 > > _______________________________________________ > > TROM mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20150827/dda6c46c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:45:49 -0700 > From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > To: TROM <[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> > > Date: August 27, 2015 at 9:30:13 AM PDT > > To: Sergei Akshentsev <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: About TROM, subscribing and other questions > > > > Hi Sergei > > > > Welcome to TROM. > > > > Excellent, you have discovered that you are playing games and some of > them compulsively. > > > > Are you running RI and what level of TROM are you working on? > > > > Evil is defined as > > forcing something on another they do not want > > taking something from another they are not willing to give > > > > The Church of Scientology has ruined the delivery of Scientology Tech by > their aggressive marketing and alteration of the tech. But that is their > problem and has nothing to do with TROM. > > > > Can you do a better job of translating TROM into Russian language? > > > > When people first get into TROM they talk about it a lot but after they > understand the tech they just use it and cease talking about it. You can > see this in the long quiet periods on the list. If you need to know > something just ask a question to the list and someone will answer. > > > > The best practice with TROM is to read and re-read the books multiple > times. In between reading the books do the processes. There are youtube > videos of running RI that will help you. These are put up by "Yawnguy" and > the first is at this address http://youtu.be/CUGCXzY74aI > > > > Keep on TROMing > > Pete > > List Moderator > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Sergei Akshentsev <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pete, Antony, Judith and Ming, > >> > >> Sorry for bothering you and hope you are all well! > >> > >> My name is Sergei Akshentsev and I live in Moscow, Russia. I write to > you not just to be acquainted with but to talk to wiser people and chose > you on purpose. > >> > >> Judith - not only because of her auditing background but who knew > Dennis closely than others. > >> Antony - mostly as former Scientologist (certified) and who did a lot > in his life and observed the results of his doings. > >> Ming - as a neuro-linguistic programmer and an active researcher into > other mental (mind) fields. > >> Pete - as a hardworking man with a fresh mind :) > >> > >> Here is my story: Since childhood we have been threatened about > Scientology, it was told to us that they are evil, they are able to > convince you in anything they want to, so they are going to steal your soul > and make you their slave forever... > >> And I saw some, as I thought, evidence - some very intelligent guys > mixed Scientology and other religious and other techniques to convince > confiding people to give them all their money, saying "the money" is the > only evil and all the problems because of money they owned... but it was > clearly fraud and they're ended up imprisoned. > >> > >> First time I came across TROM two years ago and it was a not very good > translation into Russian, because we have the same words but with a really > different meaning. Thus it was hard to understand but I managed to :). > >> Since then I relieved some parts of my mind with the technology but > decided to put aside the technology and stay at a compulsive games > condition with at least one subject - called 'to study English very hard in > order to use raw English materials in therapy'. So it has given me "a hard > punch" for the last two years and now I am able to continue :) > >> > >> Now in Scientology I see all this certificates, passports, paid > courses, etc., so I assume that the majority of auditors just pawns in a > game making some mystery and perhaps money to their masters... sorry... or > at least they are just another type of psychotherapists with a technology > amongst the others and nothing greater. > >> > >> Then I figured out that there are not so many people on the mailing > list of TROM, so I asked myself - perhaps it is sort of working stuff, > because it seems to me that such a mailing list is against the idea (the > philosophy) of TROM? > >> > >> To bring the full picture of me and why I write to you I ought to > mention my compulsive game conditions (at least I think they are): > >> about using the technology (the theory of TROM) to make money (become > wealthier) > >> about convincing (enforcing, compelling) people to do what I want (kind > of same sort as previous) > >> about being fit, or even be a bodybuilder (to meet my desires) > >> about sex (no comments ;)) > >> about working full time 9-5 (I want to have more free time to do things > that I desire to do) > >> about my kid will be struggling in his life (I don't think that he > should spend the same time that I spent before I understand that) > >> about immigration to Australia (why not? :) I'm still not sure if it > easier or harder to make living there...) > >> > >> I believe that you have something that will be worth to say to me, even > if it hard to understand or very unpleasant. But I'm still slightly > insisting on hearing that.... Thanks in advance! > >> > >> Sincerely yours, > >> Sergei Akshentsev > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20150827/707dcf17/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of TROM Digest, Vol 130, Issue 6 > ************************************ >
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