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Sergei and Marcus,
Welcome to the TROM list. Pete, Excellent description/definition of "no more change." Took me awhile to figure that one out. lol Well done. Love, Teresa On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Thanks for the response Pete, > > It's good to have some simplicity ready to apply in practice! > > I seem to add complexities to these processes for some reason. It took me > a year of trying RI off and on until I started getting some results > consistently. I suppose I need to keep the practice and study bounded to > some well defined limits with some discipline, like a routine, as to get > more consistent reference points. > > Also, many thanks to Leôncio for the off-list assistance and point of view. > > Cheers all > > Keep on Tromming :) > On Aug 28, 2015 8:50 AM, <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > >> Send TROM mailing list submissions to >> trom@lists.newciv.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Trom List Questions (The Resolution of Mind list) >> 2. Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions >> (The Resolution of Mind list) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:49:01 -0700 >> From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> To: "trom@lists.newciv.org" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions >> Message-ID: <mailman.69439.1440691127.1340.t...@lists.newciv.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> HI Marcus >> And welcome to TROM. >> >> I checked you email address in the TROM list management site and it is >> good. I removed you moderate status so you can now email to the list. >> >> You run RI till it brings your attention into present time. Continuing to >> run the process will just continue to put your attention in present time so >> you can not overrun the process. Run RI till your memories of past upsets >> quiet down and no longer distract you from present time. At this point RI >> is "topped up" and you are ready to start the next process or end session. >> >> An E-meter is only useful if you are already an expert on using the >> E-meter in sessions. If you have to learn how to use it while running a >> process it will distract you from running the process and put you out of >> session. So it's best to run TROM without an E-meter. >> >> Being distracted while running the process is your reactive mind >> (memories of past upset) pulling your attention off the process you are >> running. continue running the process till these distractions subside and >> you can run the process un interrupted. This is the "no more change" point >> Dennis talks about that indicates the process is null and you need to move >> on the next process in the program. >> >> Keep on TROMing >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < >> trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: >> > >> > ************* >> > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> > ************ >> > Dear Marcus, >> > >> > Thanks for your mail. I have forwarded this reply on to the Trom list >> (if you get a second copy that way that that means you know you'r on the >> list!). Hopefully among those on the list there are some willing to help >> you. >> > >> > I have also Bcced it to the list administrator so you should get that >> problem sorted out. >> > >> > I am sort of 80% retired from the TROM field, so that's all I'm going >> to do ;-). >> > >> > All best wishes, >> > >> > Antony. >> > >> > >> > At 07:53 27-08-2015, Marcus Tofanelli wrote: >> >> Hello Ant, >> >> >> >> I hope that things are all good with you. I'm sorry to be 'cold' >> mailing you like this but I seem to not be able to get an email through to >> the Trom list mail. Not sure if I don't have the right membership, or if my >> emails are even getting to the administrator. >> >> >> >> I'm a newbie to the self-clearing material and from Brazil. I never >> went to any scientology meetings or auditions, which I think exist only in >> one city in my coutry. I did read Self-Clearing by Ken and TROM and lots of >> old Trom-list posts. I'm also kind of a loner and not sure if I could >> handle co-auditing. >> >> >> >> So, if you could pass along these questions or address them yourself >> maybe it would be quite a help to me and maybe to others. >> >> >> >> 1) My biggest sticking point is not knowing whether I'm overrun during >> RI (I can reliably sense changes here) or the similarities and differences >> drill (Level 2). Should I get a meter and learn how to use it or is there a >> way to learn to spot this phenomena as a newbie? >> >> >> >> And >> >> >> >> 2) I seem to get distracted a lot during self-auditing and it feels >> like I'm losing the momentum that the process was getting and then it takes >> some time to get it going again. Would appreciate some tips to address this. >> >> >> >> Thanks for your time! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Marcus Franchi >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> Version: 2015.0.6125 / Virus Database: 4409/10512 - Release Date: >> 08/25/15 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TROM mailing list >> > TROM@lists.newciv.org >> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20150827/dda6c46c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:45:49 -0700 >> From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> To: TROM <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> Subject: [TROM1] Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions >> Message-ID: <mailman.69495.1440694535.1340.t...@lists.newciv.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> > From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> >> > Date: August 27, 2015 at 9:30:13 AM PDT >> > To: Sergei Akshentsev <sergeia...@gmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: About TROM, subscribing and other questions >> > >> > Hi Sergei >> > >> > Welcome to TROM. >> > >> > Excellent, you have discovered that you are playing games and some of >> them compulsively. >> > >> > Are you running RI and what level of TROM are you working on? >> > >> > Evil is defined as >> > forcing something on another they do not want >> > taking something from another they are not willing to give >> > >> > The Church of Scientology has ruined the delivery of Scientology Tech >> by their aggressive marketing and alteration of the tech. But that is their >> problem and has nothing to do with TROM. >> > >> > Can you do a better job of translating TROM into Russian language? >> > >> > When people first get into TROM they talk about it a lot but after they >> understand the tech they just use it and cease talking about it. You can >> see this in the long quiet periods on the list. If you need to know >> something just ask a question to the list and someone will answer. >> > >> > The best practice with TROM is to read and re-read the books multiple >> times. In between reading the books do the processes. There are youtube >> videos of running RI that will help you. These are put up by "Yawnguy" and >> the first is at this address http://youtu.be/CUGCXzY74aI >> > >> > Keep on TROMing >> > Pete >> > List Moderator >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Sergei Akshentsev <sergeia...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Pete, Antony, Judith and Ming, >> >> >> >> Sorry for bothering you and hope you are all well! >> >> >> >> My name is Sergei Akshentsev and I live in Moscow, Russia. I write to >> you not just to be acquainted with but to talk to wiser people and chose >> you on purpose. >> >> >> >> Judith - not only because of her auditing background but who knew >> Dennis closely than others. >> >> Antony - mostly as former Scientologist (certified) and who did a lot >> in his life and observed the results of his doings. >> >> Ming - as a neuro-linguistic programmer and an active researcher into >> other mental (mind) fields. >> >> Pete - as a hardworking man with a fresh mind :) >> >> >> >> Here is my story: Since childhood we have been threatened about >> Scientology, it was told to us that they are evil, they are able to >> convince you in anything they want to, so they are going to steal your soul >> and make you their slave forever... >> >> And I saw some, as I thought, evidence - some very intelligent guys >> mixed Scientology and other religious and other techniques to convince >> confiding people to give them all their money, saying "the money" is the >> only evil and all the problems because of money they owned... but it was >> clearly fraud and they're ended up imprisoned. >> >> >> >> First time I came across TROM two years ago and it was a not very good >> translation into Russian, because we have the same words but with a really >> different meaning. Thus it was hard to understand but I managed to :). >> >> Since then I relieved some parts of my mind with the technology but >> decided to put aside the technology and stay at a compulsive games >> condition with at least one subject - called 'to study English very hard in >> order to use raw English materials in therapy'. So it has given me "a hard >> punch" for the last two years and now I am able to continue :) >> >> >> >> Now in Scientology I see all this certificates, passports, paid >> courses, etc., so I assume that the majority of auditors just pawns in a >> game making some mystery and perhaps money to their masters... sorry... or >> at least they are just another type of psychotherapists with a technology >> amongst the others and nothing greater. >> >> >> >> Then I figured out that there are not so many people on the mailing >> list of TROM, so I asked myself - perhaps it is sort of working stuff, >> because it seems to me that such a mailing list is against the idea (the >> philosophy) of TROM? >> >> >> >> To bring the full picture of me and why I write to you I ought to >> mention my compulsive game conditions (at least I think they are): >> >> about using the technology (the theory of TROM) to make money (become >> wealthier) >> >> about convincing (enforcing, compelling) people to do what I want >> (kind of same sort as previous) >> >> about being fit, or even be a bodybuilder (to meet my desires) >> >> about sex (no comments ;)) >> >> about working full time 9-5 (I want to have more free time to do >> things that I desire to do) >> >> about my kid will be struggling in his life (I don't think that he >> should spend the same time that I spent before I understand that) >> >> about immigration to Australia (why not? :) I'm still not sure if it >> easier or harder to make living there...) >> >> >> >> I believe that you have something that will be worth to say to me, >> even if it hard to understand or very unpleasant. But I'm still slightly >> insisting on hearing that.... Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> Sincerely yours, >> >> Sergei Akshentsev >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20150827/707dcf17/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TROM mailing list >> TROM@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of TROM Digest, Vol 130, Issue 6 >> ************************************ >> > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -- *¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸ Teresa .•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•.
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