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Sent Saturday 7th of November 2015 by [email protected]
(Antony Phillips)
Note that this is a resend of a message sent some
years ago, and data is liable to be inaccurate.
You can see that then in 1998 I was still
using Fido (the amateur, free, substitute for a then expensive Internet
connection).
Subject:
TROM
Replay B15
Date:
Fri,
27 Mar 1998 10:24:20 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
Hers the next replay.
Note for newcomers, There are two Judiths:
Judith Anderson (Queen Trom):
[email protected] (in Australia)
Judith Methven (Tech consultant): [email protected] (in England)
(of course queeries with regard to the running of TROM are best
placed
on the list, so others have an oppurtunity of adding their
expereince.)
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From : "Dustin W.
Carr"
236/174.10 Mon 26 Jun 95
07:53
To : trom-l
<[email protected]>
Mon 26 Jun 95
19:55
Subj : Re: Completion of Level 2
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From: "Dustin W. Carr"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Completion of Level 2
On Sun, 25 Jun 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> I just completed Level 2. It took me 14 hours of actual Level
2 work,
> with almost as much RI (10.5 hours).
>
> I find it very interesting that the TROM materials are virtually
self-
> regulating. At one point some time ago I thought that Level 2
was
> complete, so I went into Level 3. I found it very difficult,
though, and
> dropped back to Level 2. Now, however, Level 3 is quite
natural. In
> fact, I began doing Level 3 almost automatically near the end
of
> Level 2.
I concur with this from my own experience. In fact, as I was going
through the levels, I never looked ahead at the next one, but I always
seemingly stepped right into it. Level 3 flows readily into level 4, and
the same is true for 4 to 5. At the end of every level I always found
myself doing the next level.
>
> Timebreaking is really an incredible ability! It's fascinating
to see a
> past incident hanging there in PT in front of you Quite
extraordinary,
> unlike anything I've experienced before.
I am glad you are enjoying it. It was never that big of a deal for me,
but then again, I took inordinate amounts of psychadelics in my past
:)
One other piece of advice for someone on this path, which I have said
before. I strongly suggest the book *Seth Speaks* by Jane Roberts. It
offers a different view of things. It can help to alleviate alot of
tension between a being and his mind. I found that after leaving
scientology, (after a rather short time) I was very confrontational with
my mind, always thinking that it was filled with bad things and scary
monsters that could really hurt me. After reading this book, I no longer
have such a tendency to play that game, and it has made my processing
many times more effective.
>
> Bill
>
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From : ASC Missions
Group
236/174.10 Mon 26 Jun 95
04:20
To :
[email protected]
Mon 26 Jun 95
19:55
Subj : Re: Completion of Level 2
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From: ASC Missions Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Completion of Level 2
Hi,
For those why find _Seth Speaks_ a little dry, or who just want to round
out the info, I suggest _The Nature of Personal Reality_, also a Seth
bookby the same author, Jane Roberts.
There are a lot of similarities between Seths's view and Acceptance.
Much more than between Acceptance and Scn/Dn.
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Center
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| (415) 964-3436
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Box 390696
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94039
Web Home Page at
http://www.asc.org
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From : "Joachim H. Steingrubner
PhD" 236/174.10 Tue 27
Jun 95
12:09
To :
[email protected]
Wed 28 Jun 95
07:18
Subj : TROM and Nirvana
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD" <[email protected]>
Subject: TROM and Nirvana
Dennis mentions several times that he thinks TROM would lead to
'Nirvana'.
Since inception of this list, I wanted to take exceptions to this
claim but never got around to do it.
Being a member of a Buddhist community (Sangha) since 1976 and
having studied Sanskrit and Pali both at University and in private,
I have had considerable exposure to the concept of 'nirvana'.
A good picture of "nirvana" (given by the Buddho, 'the
Awakened',
himself) is the following:
Consider a burning haystack.
Once it has caught fire, it will burn as long as there is hay
left.
When there is no hay left, the fire will disappear.
Where did the fire go?
Did it disappear forever and there will be never any fire
anymore?
Or did it just go away and will come back once the _conditions_
for
a fire are somewhere in the world again?
If it went away, which direction did it go? Did it leave to the
west,
or the east, to the sky, etc. etc. ?
What state is the fire in once the haystack is burnt up and
before
it lights up again at another haystack?
I don't want to go into more details because I think this basic
picture
shows enough of the 'nirvana' concept (which is the circumstance of
the
permanent disappearance of the fire).
TROM resolves the time track in the first levels and aims to resolve
conflicting goals in the last.
According to Buddhism it is neither feasible, practical nor necessary
to burn _all_ the hay. (I can be more explicit on this, if
requested).
Let's say TROM would be done until there is no hay left. Would that
result in nirvana?
Perhaps "temporarily". At the next combination of dry hay and a
match,
however, the fire will be burning again.
In sciento lingo, "the thetan recreates its bank".
In other words, the achievement of 'nirvana' requires to eliminate
the _conditions_ under which a fire can arise, not just burning
existing
hay.
For this reason, the main goal in Buddhist endeavors is (or should
be IMHO) the study of the why goals are created in the first place.
This, however, takes place in a different domain than TROM operates
in.
As much as it is desirable and necessary to 'reduce the hay', it is
not the last step on the way to 'nirvana'.
This is not even addressing the question if a being really _wants_
to
achieve 'nirvana' anyway, by the way.
IMHO, TROM could be major breakthrough for mankind as a whole (if it
would be distributed and applied on a major scale). This is why I
promote TROM.
I personally think that Flemming's Transformational
Processing is by far the best and most easily applicable instrument
to achieve spiritual liberation currently available.
TROM fills a vital gap, though, in the moment.
Therefore I'm deeply grateful to Dennis Stephens for this contribution to
mankind.
Joachim
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From : "Paul
Houle"
236/174.10 Wed 28 Jun 95
11:40
To :
[email protected]
Thu 29 Jun 95
05:00
Subj : Modalities in TROM
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From: "Paul Houle" <[email protected]>
Subject: Modalities in TROM
At one point in level 3 I found that all of a sudden
I started hearing
a lot when I was doing RI. I'd create something like a house and
here
a "whoosh" as things moved and some impact sounds as things
came together.
Sounds also became very prominent in remembering past scenes as
well.
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From :
[email protected]
236/174.10 Wed 28 Jun 95
22:07
To :
[email protected]
Thu 29 Jun 95
20:23
Subj : Re: Level 2/3
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Level 2/3
Andreas,
I am currently doing Level 3 and I had a similar discovery to yours. I
also
touch objects to get their texture, although I use direct theta
perceptics
rather than a concept of a hand. I have also found other perceptics to
be
useful, such as sensing the emotion particles in the scene, the
attitudes
of others, etc.
Bill Maier
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