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Subject:
TROM: Replay B19
Date:
Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:46:13 +0200
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected], [email protected]
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From : Andreas
Mittermayr
236/174.10 Wed 19 Jul 95
10:45
To : Bill Maier
<[email protected]>
Wed 19 Jul 95
22:26
Subj : Re: Completions of Level 2
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: Andreas Mittermayr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Completions of Level 2
Hi Bill,
> Andreas,
>
> You wrote:
>
> >Could you please explain how it was, when you finished Level 2 ?
I am doing
> >Level 2 for several hours now (25-30). It works for me to
timebreak objects
> >and Persons from the scene, doing RI is ok too. And I also get
the feeling
> >that comparing gets nearly automatic, what shows that I am
probably moving
> >to Level 3. But I have not the feeling that Level 2 is finished.
I thing
> >I could do it hundred of hours. I don't feel/see any case gain.
I am
> >feeling good and happy after a session, but I can not say that I
have the
> >feeling that there 'has gone something away' after any session.
I often
have
> >read articles on this list like: (any level) "I have blown
away this and
> >this via timebreaking in Level ...". I never had such an
experience.
> >
> >Could you or anyone explain about there experience when moving
from
> >Level to Level ?
>
> My suggestion to you is to trust your own judgement on this
matter.
Learning
> to take self-responsibility for one's case is an implicit part of
the TROM
> program. However, I have trouble with this myself. It's
not always easy
to
> see if I'm overrun or whatever.
Yes, one point could be self-responsibility. Another could be
insecurity.
Insecurity
if I really understand the tech, if I am applying it correct. One problem
is
what
scenes to take for timebreaking. I often think if the object/scene I get
is
worth it
to timebreak it, are there objects/scenes which are more important. And
a
feeling
that is near to "I could do it hundreds of hours": There are
sure hundreds of
significant scenes and objects: it seems to be an endless job to
timebreak
them
all.
>
> I would like to point out some of the things you yourself mentioned
that
> might serve to clarify this issue. You said "I could do
it hundreds of
> hours. I don't feel/see any case gain." From this I
would say that
perhaps
> Level 2 is complete, either overrun or perhaps it was too light of
a
process
> for you. I'd suggest trying level 3.
Yes, I think I will have a try.
>
> I would be interested in seeing a brief introduction to
yourself. I posted
> one for me some time ago, but if you missed it I could send it to
you. I
am
> also curious as to the location of fmi.uni-passau.de.
>
> Bill
>
Well, I am a computer-science student in the 12th semster at the
university of
Passau.
That is in the very south-west of Germany. I read LRH 'Diantic' 6 or
7
years ago
and
was very curious about if Dianetic really works. Going to a
Scientology-center,
making the test, and then deciding that I would not join the church,
though I
was
( and I am still ) very interested in the tech. Via news-net and
'alt.clearing.technology' I heard about TROM, ordered it and started to
use
it.
So I have no Scientology-background/experience. Books about
clearing-technology
I read
are: Dianetic, The second L. Kin book and Transformational Processing
from
Flemming.
Greetings,
Andreas!
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From : Andreas
Mittermayr
2:236/174.10 Thu 20 Jul 95
09:02
To : Bill Maier
<[email protected]>
Thu 20 Jul 95
20:55
Subj : Re: Level 1
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: Andreas Mittermayr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Level 1
Bill,
> One other thought occurred to me. Did you ever get any change
> from the RI process? In other words, did you pass the test
> Stephens set for beginning level 2?
>
> Bill
>
Yes, I passed the test.
Andreas!
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From : Bill
Maier
2:236/174.10 Wed 19 Jul 95
12:00
To : Andreas Mittermayr
<[email protected]> Thu 20 Jul 95
20:55
Subj : Re: Completions of Level 2
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Bill Maier )
Subject: Re: Completions of Level 2
Andreas,
Thank you for your bio, I enjoyed reading it. By the way, I am a
software engineer here in Texas. I've been writing software for over
15 years now. For the last few years I've been writing C and C++
programs for pharmacies, but I've held lots of different jobs and have
done everything from firmware to ray-traced computer graphics.
Don't worry too much what scenes you timebreak. Levels 4 and 5 make
sure that the "important ones" get taken care. Also, the later
levels
allow you to timebreak on a much faster and larger scale.
Bill
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From : Bill
Maier
2:236/174.10 Wed 19 Jul 95
11:44
To :
[email protected]
Thu 20 Jul 95
20:55
Subj : Re: Level 4
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Bill Maier )
Subject: Re: Level 4
You wrote:
>
>Hi Bill,
>
[snip]
>There's another thing Stephens said, but I'm not sure whether
that
>is really clear from the original manuscript: It's no shame to
>step back a Level. If things get too heavy, go back a Level,
break
>up parts, and then go back and tackle the whole thing.
>
>And, of course, do PLENTY of RI. :-)
>
>Marc
>
>P.S.: Don't worry, I had to learn about doing enough RI the hard way,
too...
>
Thanks for the info. I already stepped back a level once, in going
from Level 2 to Level 3. As for RI, on both Level 2 and Level 3 I
spent nearly as much time doing RI as I did the level processes! I was
just so excited by the total blow-out I experienced at Level 4 that I
neglected RI that evening. Never again! :)
Bill
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From : "Dustin W.
Carr"
2:236/174.10 Wed 19 Jul 95
19:17
To : trom-l
<[email protected]>
Thu 20 Jul 95
20:56
Subj : Re: Level 4
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: "Dustin W. Carr"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Level 4
On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Bill Maier wrote:
> You wrote:
> >
> >Hi Bill,
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> >There's another thing Stephens said, but I'm not sure whether
that
> >is really clear from the original manuscript: It's no shame
to
> >step back a Level. If things get too heavy, go back a Level,
break
> >up parts, and then go back and tackle the whole thing.
> >
> >And, of course, do PLENTY of RI. :-)
> >
> >Marc
> >
> >P.S.: Don't worry, I had to learn about doing enough RI the hard
way,
> too...
> >
>
> Thanks for the info. I already stepped back a level once, in
going
> from Level 2 to Level 3. As for RI, on both Level 2 and Level
3 I
> spent nearly as much time doing RI as I did the level
processes! I was
> just so excited by the total blow-out I experienced at Level 4 that
I
> neglected RI that evening. Never again! :)
>
> Bill
Actually RI to level process ratio for me has been about 3:1.
Never say never. After alot of level 5, the meaning of RI changed
significantly for me, in a way that I can not describe adequately. I can
just say that I don't feel quite as much need to do RI, even though
bigger and better things continue to happen. I almost enjoy all of this
chaotic energy that flows through my space.
Dustin.
>
>
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