[TROM1] 2. RE Spinning Style RI - ( TROM Digest, Vol 136, Issue 20)

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Colleen,
I highly appreciate your feedback on "Spinning Objects Around" at high velocity 
while doing RI.

I admit that I've not tested this myself. It never occurred to me to
experiment in that direction because in my RI I did not encounter too much
tribulation so far in creating and placing something around me.
I was, and still I am, fully content with creating an ample space at first or just use the space available and within this area then create something (which, by the way, can be a concept, feeling, emotion, symbols, ... as well). Then I change 
its properties, multiply it, place them in any fashion I feel up to around
me. Finally often explode them or otherwise get rid of the creations (e.g. by 
pulling them into the body or send them into a celestial body) ...
One of my personals case traits is that I simply can't help but ponder on potential solutions for problems posed by other beings. You know some people who eagerly resolve crossword puzzles, sudoku and the like? Well, that is not what interests me much. 
I'm more fascinated by real-life questions asked by real people.
I admit that this is not solely motivated by being so fond of my fellow humans. A good portion of egotism is involved there as well. I think it is the fun factor involved ... and the learning opportunity which is eminent in a high degree within 
problem solving activity.
That said I do not suggest that the proposal "Spinning Objects Around" was a result of some kind of brain-storming, which I did with myself, and thus being the product of 
my reactive bank, which accidentally worked for you - God forbid ;-)
No, the idea is solidly based on firm ground. I did not invent it just out of the blue. 
Let my start out with some definitions here at first:
[OBJECT, 1. an object could be considered to be any unit manifestation of energy 
including matter. It has been found that the duration of an object roughly
approximates its solidity. (Scn 8-8008, p. 14) 2 . objects consist of grouped 
particles. (PRO 13, 5408C20) 3 . a condensed piece of energy. (PDC 46)
OBJECTIVE, dictionary definition "of or having to do with a material object as 
distinguished from a mental concept, idea or belief." Means here and now
objects in PT as opposed to "subjective." (HCOB 2 Nov 57RA)]
[SOLIDITY, 1. could be said to be stupidity. (COHA, p. 139) 2 . barriers. (HCOB 
10 Mar 70)]
[BARRIER, 1 . something which an individual cannot communicate beyond. (Dn
55 .1, p. 126) 2 . space, energy, matter and time— each is only a barrier to 
knowingness. A barrier is a barrier only in that it impedes knowingness.
(COHA, p. 151) 3 . from Scientology Axiom 28: Barriers consist of Space,
Interpositions (such as walls and screens of fast-moving particles) and Time. 
(COHA, p. 18)]
The key sentence in the above is this: _"such as walls and screens of fast-moving particles"_. I think Ron talks about that in detail in one of his famous PDC lectures. (My apologies for not digging out the exact source here. If you insist that I do it, I sure will do my best 
to find out - still I hope you won't insist ;-)
So in other words: If you move a particle (or a composite of particles, generally known as matter) e.g. a piece of plywood incredibly fast, it tends to become a solid wall which in 3D follows the path of the movement and thus the path of the movement determines the barrier's shape.
There is an analogy in the technological world (I better say "was" because since LCD-screens had 
been invented the analogy is still valid but appears somewhat nostalgic).
Here we go: The old fashioned TV-screens worked with vacuum picture tubes. The principle makes use of the fact that the human eye is unable to follow very fast motions. Imagine a very small and bright light spot moving fast. It would appear to you as a bright line. In the TV-tube the light spot is generated by a focused electron beam which emanates at the far end of the tube and hits the inside of the screen which is made of transparent glass. The inside tube-surface is covered with a material that transforms the impact energy of the electrons into visible light energy. You - the one looking at the TV-screen - can perceive this. The impression of a solid picture then occurs when the electron beam (and consequently) the light spot is moved very fast in a scan like movement (line by line). This can be achieved by 
means of electromagnets mounted someplace around the tube neck.
So far that's the working principle in an nutshell.
The other firm foundation for my suggestion is based on today's physics which in relevant 
aspects is supported by metaphysics as well.
The basic idea is, that the _perceived_ solidity of the MEST-universe is really an illusion when we take into account that all the mass that is around us consists of atoms which are organized in certain molecular structures. If you would zoom into an atom it would appear as very "unsolid". Protons, Neutrons, Electrons are relatively small compared to the distances these building blocks have to each other (similar to a solar system where the sun is represented by the atom core and the planets would be the electrons circling round the core). In the case of the atom the particles in general move very fast which lets matter appear 
to be even more solid.
(As as marginal note: I guess this is what it makes so difficult to walk straight through a wall. Why did we create the universe in that way? My own belief is, that we wanted to make the whole thing as unpredictable as could possibly be. This could be a security measure against as-ising.)
Why do we sense those actually fragile molecular structures as solid? There is as basic law in information theory which is described in the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem. According to this theory, in order to reconstruct a signal (= information), you need to apply at least a sampling rate frequency two times as high as the highest frequency 
contained in the signal form.
In other words, in order to perceive a structure of a certain smallness with your eyes it is mandatory to have the ability to perceive light of a wavelength which is at least to times 
smaller than the smallest detail or object that should be perceived.
That's why the extremely shortwave*) X-rays can go right through any kind of not too dense 
matter. *) Note: The wavelength is indirect proportional to frequency.
That allow us to take a look inside the body or inside our luggage at airport security check. For Superman with his X-ray eyes solid matter appears translucent and thus less solid. On the other hand, if you would be a creature that can only sense heat (which is waves at the lower end of the electromagnetic spectrum) you would perceive other warm-blooded organisms just as amorphous, blurry shapes bare of any details. If the organism is very small you might not 
even "see" it at all.
I order to get not too wide winded - I see I'm already behind my todays schedule - let me conclude this way. I actually was a little worried on second thought about the "Spinning 
Objects Around" issue because I did not test it before posting.
Therefore your recent comment relieves me much.
On some other parts and aspects of your recent posts I want to comment as well, but decide to leave that for another time. It is a pleasure to see that this list recently became more lively. 
This is, last but not least, due to your inspiring contributions.

ARC
Robin




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Thanks for the responses Coleen and Robin!

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GREAT!!! write-up, Robin!

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At my beginning, when I experienced I could no longer get into the creator viewpoint that I once held I began a games condition with myself and what fast became my "not-self" - the creator of this universe. So I have spent a 
whole track of time playing a lose/lose game, and TROM has been a big
turnaround for me.

I first did a quick run through the CCH's which never hurts even though
change was occurring with RI.
Level Two helped me null some attachments and aversions to aesthetics and, 
through trial and error, eventually gave me confidence that I could not
fail in timebreaking.

In an attempt to put some structure into Level Three and more quickly
handle my case re game strategies I decided to gradiently take up incidents involving my parents. My auditor stepped in and helped me get through this very quickly, laser-like, using Trom principles as a separate therapy, and I no longer have any fixed attention on my parents, and my auditor says I 
am becoming more responsible. Letting go of game strategies resolves
stupidities, and I do see signs of me smartening up.
Indeed I find I am becoming more concerned about ethics entanglements than about aesthetic entanglements. I'm also looking after the body's needs and 
doing some de-toxing.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I'm not advertising the services of my auditor and he is
not able to take on any clients right now due to we live in a house that
was built in the 1800's and it needs a lot of work and he is otherwise
engaged with his own solo-auditing. My auditing with him is sporadic but
welcome when it does occur. I'm taking on my own case - DIY. Taking
reasonable and intelligent responsibility for one's own case builds
character and courage, and I am greatly encouraged by the feedback on this 
list.

I realize case resolution is likened to an upward spiral and takes one
through harmonic levels, and I do not count any case gain as absolute until the mind is completely gone. I am now DIY working to expose game strategies 
concerning other individuals from the past, timebreaking incidents with
them, and falling back to Level Two when a scene is stuck. A lot of
foot-dragging too which I sorely would like to resolve... as in, "when did 
that first start with you?".
RI has been rehabilitative for me, and my ability to create without the use of a cad-cam program (although they are nice) has lately amazed me. I see a 
lot of potential there. RI also keeps my mind from overly reacting to a
sudden loss of long held and habituated importances, especially game
strategies.
Still I have ethical issues (i.e., forcing and preventing) with regards to the creation and implementation of the "To Know" matrix of postulates, from the viewpoint of one separated from the creator being, still stuck at the effect of a self-imposed postulate set, as in "What was I thinking!?!". I'm certain this gets resolved at the pair of Levels Four and Five, and then I 
will know after that if there is more or higher case to resolve.

I'm not trying to build a cult around Trom or Dennis, although I am very
very grateful to him and this period of grace. I am aware of other workable timebreaking techs and tools, but not of anything comparable to Level Five. I simply prefer to give Dennis' approach a good run towards level five... 
it indicates to me.
Any one of us can build on his shoulders if that indicates and at least do 
our own hat write-up before we also do our change up to playing better
games or no games at will. I think most of us can agree that Trom as it is 
currently written could be a stop for some other truth seekers without a
scientology background.
The only thing I have found that comes close to Level Five intent is in a book called, "Polar Dynamics" by Max Sandor and Ed Dawson. I prefer Level 
Five approach for its simplicity before I would choose to tackle Polar
Dynamics.
I do trust that every being on their own volition eventually starts asking the right questions and finds their way back "home". For myself, the right question that set this all in motion and got me involved with scientology was, "What is the mind?", and secondly, "How can we resolve it?". However, I am no longer interested in playing any civilization games, although I do 
see I am being a more civil and fair human in my interactions.

So, to sum up what I wrote, I personally attest there is case gain to be
made using the data and tech of TROM.

colleen
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Thanks to everyone for their personal feedback re how RI goes for them, and suggestions. With your help, I've regained a certainty that I can do RI and 
it does not have to drag on forever.
Getting back to the last poster (was it Robin?) who described a type of RI 
that places an object or multiples of the object around them in six
directions and then spins them faster and faster until no more change, for 
example, stop yawning and things look brighter, more relaxed, etcetera. A
former PC I taught to do RI even naturally did it as spinning multiples of 
the object all around him and RI went very fast for him using simple
objects in the room.

Tonight I tested that out and yes it does work, especially with objects
like, say, a book. So, I started by having someone hand me a book and then 
I put the book in all six directions and started spinning until the spin
was all 360 very fast and a growing quantity of books. That's when the
yawning started where all my previous attempts to put a book all around me 
produced no change except some tension build-up.
This neatly resolves the requirement for quantity of importance and I don't have to try and stretch the book into unnatural shapes to put it all around me, or create curved bookshelves filled with books and put those all around 
me, all of which I did at first.
The spinning technique was simpler, doable, and quickly got me ready to do 
the timebreaking exercise, which went very well.

Entering a session with enough RI helped me have a great attitude and
really makes a difference for me when timebreaking. For example, I thought 
this session's timebreaking subject was going to really bite me, and I'd
been putting off this session for a couple of weeks, and it was the win
with RI that made it a lamb and not a lion because I'm timebreaking now
some very live and entrenched covert game strategies... as in "bye-bye
me"!  :-))

But also, breaking this general timebreaking subject down into different
goals with the same person, such as "eating", etc., and nulling game
strategies one goal at a time makes it approachable, in spite of two weeks 
of foot dragging.
Re the constant foot dragging I'm falling prey to, I've decided that if it 
continues I'm going to drop down a notch and run a separate timebreaking
therapy to laser-in on an incident where this may have first been adopted, 
and look at whatever decisions were made during a confusion.

Idenics format is great for this of course. I think I should stop
masochistically berating myself and simply source the problem.

Isn't it fun to get more and more familiar with the ways of our mind and
begin to know we can now take it all apart neatly? The Buddhists call this 
"The Fourth Noble Path" - certainty of one's practices to nibbana.

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Thanks for your lovely insights Colleen. I always look forward to
reading your posts, indeed any post regarding TROM. I think
trommers are involved with their solo auditing and living their
lives and perhaps don't all have much to say, if anything at all.

I'm busy with level 5 at the moment.  Afew years ago I went to
4 and bailed after a while then did not trom at all until last year again
when I determined to do everything from scratch.
level 5 is a slow affair in that I am not rushing anything, just working my 
way through the chart of postulates until I get bored with a level or
nothing else shows up for timebreaking.
It would be hard to say what the changes are that I have noticed in that I consider us as a complex ecosystem constantly in flux adapting integrating 
etc. Thus wins are integarted and becomes part of the new structure or
perhaps older game structures fall away revealing more and more of the
essential self which then feels like a natural part of beingness and it
becomes harder to relate to older game states.
What I have noticed that sometimes even under extreme provocation I can be 
very lucid and calm. Or if something disturbed me momentarily I quickly
bounce back to a clamer/serener state. I make no claims about anything
other than my calmer state and my focus and ability to increasingly make my 
postulates stick.

As with Colleen I am more aware of ethics considerations. That to my mind
is the one thing that can degrade a spiritual being rapidly, crashing your 
ethics. So my state of being is also connected to keeping my ethics in
while pursuing my solo path on level 5. I have not yet done any pairs in
the annexures lnked to Trom. I am doing the basic level 5 and will see if
there are other buttons of 'importance' to clean up if the main 'to know'
postulate chart has not cleaned it up.

So all in all a steady progression. I do take breaks and follow Denni
advice about living too. Some sessions are longer some shorter.

Not very many trommers from what I can gather have written up their
wins...these are a few of mine and hopefully they will provide some
encouragement to those on this path.

Best
Llewellin



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GREAT!!! write-up, Robin!

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At my beginning, when I experienced I could no longer get into the creator viewpoint that I once held I began a games condition with myself and what fast became my "not-self" - the creator of this universe. So I have spent a 
whole track of time playing a lose/lose game, and TROM has been a big
turnaround for me.

I first did a quick run through the CCH's which never hurts even though
change was occurring with RI.
Level Two helped me null some attachments and aversions to aesthetics and, 
through trial and error, eventually gave me confidence that I could not
fail in timebreaking.

In an attempt to put some structure into Level Three and more quickly
handle my case re game strategies I decided to gradiently take up incidents involving my parents. My auditor stepped in and helped me get through this very quickly, laser-like, using Trom principles as a separate therapy, and I no longer have any fixed attention on my parents, and my auditor says I 
am becoming more responsible. Letting go of game strategies resolves
stupidities, and I do see signs of me smartening up.
Indeed I find I am becoming more concerned about ethics entanglements than about aesthetic entanglements. I'm also looking after the body's needs and 
doing some de-toxing.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I'm not advertising the services of my auditor and he is
not able to take on any clients right now due to we live in a house that
was built in the 1800's and it needs a lot of work and he is otherwise
engaged with his own solo-auditing. My auditing with him is sporadic but
welcome when it does occur. I'm taking on my own case - DIY. Taking
reasonable and intelligent responsibility for one's own case builds
character and courage, and I am greatly encouraged by the feedback on this 
list.

I realize case resolution is likened to an upward spiral and takes one
through harmonic levels, and I do not count any case gain as absolute until the mind is completely gone. I am now DIY working to expose game strategies 
concerning other individuals from the past, timebreaking incidents with
them, and falling back to Level Two when a scene is stuck. A lot of
foot-dragging too which I sorely would like to resolve... as in, "when did 
that first start with you?".
RI has been rehabilitative for me, and my ability to create without the use of a cad-cam program (although they are nice) has lately amazed me. I see a 
lot of potential there. RI also keeps my mind from overly reacting to a
sudden loss of long held and habituated importances, especially game
strategies.
Still I have ethical issues (i.e., forcing and preventing) with regards to the creation and implementation of the "To Know" matrix of postulates, from the viewpoint of one separated from the creator being, still stuck at the effect of a self-imposed postulate set, as in "What was I thinking!?!". I'm certain this gets resolved at the pair of Levels Four and Five, and then I 
will know after that if there is more or higher case to resolve.

I'm not trying to build a cult around Trom or Dennis, although I am very
very grateful to him and this period of grace. I am aware of other workable timebreaking techs and tools, but not of anything comparable to Level Five. I simply prefer to give Dennis' approach a good run towards level five... 
it indicates to me.
Any one of us can build on his shoulders if that indicates and at least do 
our own hat write-up before we also do our change up to playing better
games or no games at will. I think most of us can agree that Trom as it is 
currently written could be a stop for some other truth seekers without a
scientology background.
The only thing I have found that comes close to Level Five intent is in a book called, "Polar Dynamics" by Max Sandor and Ed Dawson. I prefer Level 
Five approach for its simplicity before I would choose to tackle Polar
Dynamics.
I do trust that every being on their own volition eventually starts asking the right questions and finds their way back "home". For myself, the right question that set this all in motion and got me involved with scientology was, "What is the mind?", and secondly, "How can we resolve it?". However, I am no longer interested in playing any civilization games, although I do 
see I am being a more civil and fair human in my interactions.

So, to sum up what I wrote, I personally attest there is case gain to be
made using the data and tech of TROM.

colleen
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