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A beautiful day to all beings on this list,
If we care to endeavor to dig into the secrets of our existence
we find various attempts to create "working models" which explain
the universe and our relationship to it. Those are always just
representations for the real thing. Anybody who tries to convey
the intangible essence of an idea to a reception point by means of
language will experience the use of symbols (which the words are)
as a limiting factor. Those who have mastered their system of
abstraction (e.g. language, mathematics, logic, ...) have a chance
to use it in order to bring something to resonate within other sentient
and conscious beings around. The literal message itself is only the
catalyst which can make a latent truth ring in the receiving terminal.
As an other limiting factor we sooner or later have to recognize that
our minds are optimized (= limited) to handle problems of a 3(4)D
environment (the universe we usually perceive is a four dimensional
construct if you subscribe to the idea of three spacial dimensions
plus time as the fourth dimension - in other words: space-time).
Regarding the "working model" we operate with a wide range of concepts
like "holographic projection", fractals, a.s.o. And more esoteric
ones like e.g. "frequency ranges of vibrations", multidimensionality,
densities, a.s.o. Regarding the inner truth content of them they are
interchangeable to a high degree. To which one a being feels drawn
to, seems to be a matter of individual preference, or "taste" so to speak.
As I see it, the amount of truth residing in a certain concept,
philosophy or believe system correlates directly with what we use to
call "beauty" or "aesthetic".
The dear reader now may already have started wondering how the above is
related to TROM. Well, as a matter of fact everything in this co-crated
universe is in some way or other connected and thus related to each other
(Ref.: Charles Fort "The Book of the Damned").
No, that is not how I intend to conclude the issue. The circle will
close itself in a minute where I'll attempt a possibility of a reply
to two of Colleens recent statements.
The first one is the issue of "beauty" in Dennis Stevens
"Postulate-Failure-Cycle-Chart" (PFCC). I found TROM as a whole
appealing just because of Dennis logical approach in order to
resolve the mind. Logic as a part of mathematics is beautiful in
itself because .... it is so clean, logic, pure, sublime, sane, ... ?
I know many will disagree. The beauty does not reveal itself easily.
Those who hate logic will certainly be repelled by TROM.
I certainly do not see TROM as the "holy grail" of mental or spiritual
development. There are other good things out there so that finally
anyone can find his way out of the trap. Perhaps TROM is ahead of its
time and will someday get the proper recognition.
Regarding the PFCC it was actually the aesthetic of this chart that
hooked me to TROM in the first place. It took me quite some time to
develop a deeper understanding of the chart. But already before that
it made something resonate inside me that felt "true" or "right".
Despite being human, having a mind, being entrapped due to the raw power
of self-conviction in MEST and other hardships we still have preserved
the ability to recognize truth whenever we encounter it. Isn't that a
wonderful trait!? It is indeed!
So I started figuring out what it is all about with the PFCC.
Dennis gave some subtle clues. He mentioned how it took him quite some
time to get it right, how difficult it was to remember the chart. He
suggested to print it out on cardboard in order to carry it with you
so you can ponder it any time. Further he omitted (and I think he
did that on purpose in order to let the reader do the exercise himself
and thus claim the win) to fill in the pan-determinate postulates (PD).
I struggled along the line of drawing PFCCs in Excel in many versions.
Some in colors (e.g. green for "self", red for "other". Other colors
for the both postulate types). They were really beautiful to look at
with the colorful regular patterns developing before my eyes - it almost
reminded me on those artful carpets they used to weave in oriental
countries.
But it was not until it occurred to me to fill in the PDs into the empty
fields that I got the hang of it. I think the key-out I experienced had
lasted a couple of days afterwards. Completing the chart with the PDs
immediately crashed any previous confusion I have had with the damned
thing.
It clearly showed how the PD in case of overwhelm literally annihilates
the opponents postulate, pushes it off the games-board while taking its
position in an effort to replacing it.
For those who have not yet managed to figure it out with paper and pencil
I suggest to try demonstrate with small objects on a large piece of paper
where you sketch the PFCC structure on. It brings some mass and activity
into
that otherwise significance-loaded subject. If necessary do it in clay
as they do in Scientology.
(The reason why the PFCC is seemingly hard to grasp is that the reactive
mind fears nothing more than the truth contained in the PFCC and does
everything in its might to prevent being as-ised. That is why a case close
to the "point of no return" will not make it without initial help from an
auditor.)
Well, think a moment about the C.o.S. "Grade Chart" or what is commonly
known as "The Bridge". Now compare that to the PFCC. How is it similar? How
is it different? (Ok, you may say that I'm comparing apples with pears
here.
I agree with you; let you have your point ... but continue along that line
anyway ;-)
Now, in all honesty, which kind of representation - "The Grade Chart" or
the
"PFCC" conveys more truth, less complexity, is more logic in its structure,
is closer to the point ... in other words appears more aesthetic to you?
Did not Dennis claim in one of his tape lectures ("The Philosophy of TROM"
I think that was) something I would paraphrase as follows: TROM embraces
Scientology.
When I heard that at first I thought "What an arrogant person he (Dennis)
is. When I just look at the amount of words LRH had published and compare
that
to the TROM material the claim sounds ridiculously out of proportion."
On second thought however I reminded myself of a proverb in German
language:
"Papier ist geduldig" which means "you can say what you like on paper,
you can write what you like."
And another proverb says: "Small is beautiful".
I hope that sheds some light on the question what Dennis could have
had in mind when he talked about the "beauty of the PFCC".
That brings me to the second and last point of this post.
The issue of RI and its "complexity" (it may be valid for other
kind of processing as well).
I quote from Colleens recent post:
"For example, my TROM clearing partner simply puts things all around him
holographically, end of story. Nice and simple."
I could not agree more.
Most everything I've said above regarding beauty and simplicity is
applicable
here. Her clearing partner has got it right. No add-ons no complications,
no
ornaments, no Q&A. Just what the book tells. Simply nice and beautiful.
If one intends to take on the hat of a researcher in the field of personal,
mental, spiritual development, well then it might be a good idea to be
creative
and fancy. Or if one is very interested in the structure of all that is,
like
our scientists, then it is of course a different story.
However for us as beings who just struggle to get free and create the
universe
around us to our own liking it is not efficient to get lost in complexity.
It may be a fascinating thing to figure out where the mind is located and
things like that. But is that really on purpose? I don't think so.
It is good enough for me to understand that the mind is just held in
suspension
in space-time due to a bunch of lies it contains. So what, I could not
care less
whether it is around me or inside me or dispensed all over the universe ...
Once it is resolved it is gone anyway (until I decide consciously to mock
it up once again) and thus as a consequence it's location - wherever that
may be - is gone as well.
Regarding the efficiency of all activities aiming for spiritual development
be it study or precessing or else I am very concerned. I had and sill have
a long
term agenda which goes far beyond this lifetime. I have created and
organized
this lifetime in a fashion that allows me to dedicate the remaining current
body-runtime mainly to the task of personal development in a wider sense.
That means statistically I have about four to five decades left for that
task.
There is even enough time left to play some fun games - e.g. writing this
:-)
If I think about this for a moment, I see that this is both: fun and part
of the development. Actually it's quite some work.
The good thing about writing is that it forces one to reflect more
conscious
and more responsible about a certain subject as in comparison to just
thinking
about it for oneself.
How did I achieve that? Well, I've been working hard and with sufficient
success
(success in terms of MEST-world standards ;-)in what Scios call the
wog-world
for the first half of this lifetime. So I could afford to buy my own real
estate
in a beautiful rural area in the middle of nowhere (actually it's in the
middle of
Europe), being mostly self sufficient, undisturbed and with plenty of time.
There had been times when I was extremely upset about all the corruption
going on
in politics, economics, the finance industry, the senseless bloodshed in
the name
of stupid believe systems and ideologies ...
I realized how this started dragging me down the tone scale. Somehow I
managed
to get beyond that. I keep myself informed what's going on on this
otherwise
beautiful planet by occasional checking on alternative media. But
otherwise I
keep the negative things strictly out of my life.
It is _not_ part of my universe any more. And that feels extremely good.
What helped me a lot was the idea in TROM to put up complementary
postulates.
I thought at first that this is impossible; if one does that he would
always
end up as the big idiot, the perfect loser. It may take some time until the
beauty of this approach toward life unfolds for a being. But it definitely
will. Just do not force it, apply it by gradients in order to avoid falling
on your face.
Eventually I found reading James P. Carses's book "Finite and
Infinite Games" (A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility) a perfect
supplement
to Dennis Stevens complementary postulate approach.
(On top of that Carse's prose - IMHO - is just wonderful.)
That putting up complementary-postulates is definitely a working strategy
to successfully avoid conflicts, overcome obstacles of various kinds and
finally get what you aim for can be proven by anyone who really wants.
It is even well documented in our history as, very rare but the more
impressive,
track records of personalities like Mahatma Gandhy and others.
ARC
Robin
P.S.: Thanks Colleen for pointing out Walter Russel to me. Have not heard
of him
before. Checked his bio out on the web. Interesting character.
Still have some 5GB of data in my PC waiting to be digested and searched
through
for gems. So W.R. has to wait in line.
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OKAY, more thoughts on RI:
The truth of the matter (which I saw clearly during my run with the CCHs)
is that we constantly mock up everything around us 360-degrees, or you
could say it is a holographic playing field. Did anyone see the Holodeck
on
the Star Trek series?
So Dennis is simply asking us to practice to do consciously what we do on
automatic...a basic scientological process for freeing a being from
automaticity.
I think that is what a person on Level Five would do - a holographic 360
creation. After Level Five you can put your creations wherever you want.
Obviously, all the gradients I'm working through to make RI work best for
me is from someone who still has a mind to work through, so I acknowledge
I'm making things hard on myself. And I was today able to say, "to heck
with it, I'm just going to put that thing all around me", so I do see a
better future where I can simply do what Dennis instructs without any
mental barriers and screens.
For example, my TROM clearing partner simply puts things all around him
holographically, end of story. Nice and simple.
I think putting it around me 360 might have something to do with the fact
that my mind is also all around me, and Dennis does not say we will need
to
do RI after we vanish the mind cycling through Level Five.
So, my latest and greatest is that I will continue to employ the gradient
of spinning everything all around me because it makes sense energetically
(an importance too), as Robin explained, and it handles the quantity
requirement and I was sessionable rather quickly. At the same time I'll
keep working on the 360 holographic instant creation so as to duplicate
the
automaticity of creation.
Also, continuing with the concept of holographic 360 creations, a good
gradient for that is simply to bring into existence a space all around
one.
It's already there, so simply you put it there (which secretly is what we
are all doing anyways - keeping this universe mocked up all around us
holographically). I can add snow or rain to it and build up to more
sophisticated creations.
So, to sum, which might be overriding some of my past posts,
360-holographic more closely duplicates what we are doing unconsciously.
During my CCH's I actually saw the flicker rate, so personally, I think
at
least I'm keeping it mocked up all around me. It's a projection from my
mind which is also all around me 360. Makes sense.
On top of that, I have some whole track recall from past sessions with
Robert DuCharme (of R3X), that we all once knew that and played around
with
it with ease, and I just remembered that.
P.S., Hey, Robin, reading your last post I thought you might enjoy the
revelations of the physics of this universe from Walter Russell, called
nowadays, Russellian Science - if you haven't already found him out. His
physics includes what Dennis had to say about TIPM and black holes, and
he
extrapolates nicely.
colleen
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?Dear Colleen
Thank you for your kind words. I also scoured the web for data on
Trommers. There was a lady I believe who went through Level 5 with an
auditor and a meter. I have one but I don't use it for TROM.
To answer your question: No I did not have any problems putting up the
postulates. I find the design of the chart beautiful in the way it
seamlessly flows from one level eg 2A to 2B and since I am using it at
level 5 I guess it makes level 5 beautiful too except when I work with
postulates that deal with my being or having been the originator of an
overwhelm...and have to timebreak that while feeling the corresponding
shame and guilt :) And Dennis said it took him a long time to get that
chart just right. I know that TO KNOW is the big daddy based on Dennis'
work. Others people consider fine are TO HAVE, TO BE, TO CREATE, TO FEEL,
TO EXPERIENCE and there is ample scope to work with some of this if
necessary based on the additional material he released but I am not there
yet. Just plodding along with Level 5 day by day. Some days I don't
because
of live or livingness or being outruds but never longer than a few days
then I am back on the bicycle again. Timebreaking the days events or
particular events that have hijacked my attention and moving through the
chart.
I have had to read the manual possibly 5 or more times over the years and
some sections more than that to grok the content. Something finally just
clicked concerning the chart itself. I comprehended the chart. I knew
what
it was intended to do. And I decided to stop thinking about TROM as
Dennis
suggests and to just DO Trom. Someone posted some additional notes about
TROM which really helped. Some additional instructions Dennis gave about
how to do Level 5. That just plain worked for me.?
Here it is:
TROM LEVEL 5 PROCEDURE
[The best way to follow this is when you have the postulate
failure cycle chart in front of you.]
I will go through the chart, as if I'm the subject and I'm running
Level 5. And Im starting at Level 1A. I'm starting at Level 1A and my
goal-package I'm using is the basic to know-goal package. I'm starting
now at Level 1A. Before I start as given in the manual I'd time-break
all the day's activities and also I would make sure that Levels 1, 2,
3 and 4 have been run to no more change. I wouldn't attempt Level 5
until those first 4 levels have been run to no more change and also I've
time-broken the day's activities.
OK, here we go. Level 1A. The first thing we need is a little
bit of space around us. Now, it doesn't matter which space you use,
you can use the space of the present time universe around you or you can
use the space of any past moment in time. It doesn't matter. You're not
limited in any form whatsoever. You just need some space in which to
work. So it doesn't have to be present time physical universe space
it can be past physical universe time space. You just need some space
there to work.
So, we are at Level 1A and the first thing you would do is
put up the postulate, the Other's postulate "must be known". The
postulate is "must be known" and that is in the class of not-self. Now,
it doesn't matter where you put the postulate. Most people would prefer
to put the postulate into a mass. But there is no reason why you should
put it into a mass, you can put it into empty space if you want. But
most people find it easier to put the postulate into a mass. Even a
created mass of your own choice or into a wall, a part of the
physical universe, a fence, a passing car. It doesn't matter where you
put
it.
The important thing is that it's a "must be known" postulate and it's
in the class of not-self. That is important. You must be certain that
it's in the other's, the class of other's to which I will refer for
more precision as the class of not-self. So you put up that postulate
"must be known" in the class of not-self. You yourself then create the
postulate "must know". That postulate is in the class of self, that's
you, right where you are. You hold the postulate "must know". So you've
got "must be known" over that way as origin. Receipt where you are, you
with the postulate "must know". And if you go over the column I gave on
the
chart you see that the level here is "forced to know". And it's you
being forced to know. Get that? Doesn't matter what it is, you don't
have to specify as we are just working with the postulates. So you
would put up "must be known" over that way in the class of not-self,
and then get yourself there.
Don't see yourself over that way doing this. You get yourself
right where you are, right where you are with the "must know"
postulate.
There's a little danger there that you could say, Oh well, get me
over that way. Oh no, that's wrong. You get right where you are - with
the "must know" postulate, you understand that? Because you are
right where you are creating a "must know" postulate. Then you simply
time-break out
anything that shows up, any sensations that show up, your whole
situations of cameo, as a scenario, as a scene, and you time-break
out anything that happens. Anything that shows up, you time-break it.
Time-break it out until it's gone away and then you put the
postulates back up again.
You put the postulates back up and more scenes show up from
the past, you time-break those back out, have a good look at them;
time-break
them out of existence and put the postulates back up again. And you
keep on doing this until you can put the postulates up at level 1A with
no more change occurring and you can quite happily put up the
postulate "must be known" in the class of not self over that way while
you're sitting there with "must know". And you got the idea that
you're being
forced to know. That's quite OK. Nothing is happening and it's all
quitened down. Right, now you're ready to move on. You started to
get bored with that level. You've done all you can with that level, it's
now time to move on. So we now move from Level 1A to level 1B.
Now that is signified by you changing your postulate from
"must know" to "mustn't know". You're still at receipt point, but
you're changing your postulate from "must know" to "mustn't
know". The postulate "must be known" is still out there in the class of
not-self.
But now it's a game. We now have a games condition. We now have the
opposition. We now have an opposition situation. We have "must be
known" in the class of not-self and "mustn't know" in the class of self
and they are opposing postulates and that is a games situation. So, you
just now hold that. Just hold that situation and time-break out
everything that shows up. Everything that shows up there.
And you continue with it until there's no more change. You've
time-broken out everything you quite happily have that situation
there where you have "must be known" over there in the class of
not-self and "mustn't know" in the class of self and you can hold that
situation. And there's nothing else, it's all quitened down. There's
nothing
else happening. And you're getting bored with it, so it's time to move
on. So you now move on from 1B to 2A.
Now this involves a definite change, you're going from origin
now to receipt. That's a bigger change that happens there between 1B
and 2A. When we go from 1B to 2A you start of by still feeling yourself
at receipt point. You start of by saying, Well, I'm in "mustn't know",
I'm in "mustn't know" but now I'm starting to originate. You start to
originate in "mustn't know" and drive your postulate "mustn't know"
across to the other person, to the "must be known" there. In other
words, instead of him being the originator and you being at the
receipt, at level 2A you're the originator of "mustn't know" and you
drive him into the receipt of "must be known". In other words,
you're beginning to get at him. So, you're beginning to get at the
opponent. So it's you with "mustn't know" and him still holding his
postulate of "must be known", but instead of him being at the origin
point
he's now at the receipt point.
But it's still a game. Then again you would do all the necessary
time-breaking, the handling of all that shows up, clean everything up
until you're quite bored with that Level, the whole level 2A. Then
you would go to level 2B where now you are going to actually overwhelm
the opponent. You still stay in your "mustn't know" postulate, you're
originating your "mustn't know" postulate at level 2b and now you drive
him, you actually force him, you drive him by the sheer power of the
postulate, you drive him from "must be known" into "mustn't be known".
In other words, you make him comply with your postulate. So he's
driven from "must be known" he felt at level 2A, he now goes to
"mustn't be known" at level 2b. And Level 2B is you yourself with
"mustn't
know" at the origin and the opponent with "mustn't be known" at receipt
point there.
So now we've gone through a whole little cycle, haven't we.
We've gone through a whole little cycle. We had the complementary
postulates at level 1a with "must be known" and "must know". We've gone
through two game cycles and now we've come back to complementary
postulates again. But notice that the postulates have changed. We
are now at 2B. I pause here because of my bad eyesight. I'm struggling
to read this off the chart with my bad eyesight. At 2B we have
"mustn't know" - "mustn't be know" and we are back with
complementary postulates
again. But now you are at the origin point and the "mustn't be known"
is at the receipt point.
But again we've achieved complementary postulates. And the level here
now, it's not a game level, this is the overt of preventing from being
known - "mustn't know". Now I really don't have to go any further,
because that is a complete little cycle I ran doing 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B.
This is a complete little cycle, these four. In fact, it's a quarter of
the whole set. And if you can follow that quarter, then the other
quarters, the rest of the postulate failure cycle chart, this three
more quarters, they all follow the same pattern as that first quarter.
So if you follow what I've just given you, you got it.
Basically the difficulty is a lack of understanding that you're
dealing purely with postulates. You're not dealing with effects here
on the chart, you're dealing with postulates. That's all your putting up,
it's postulates. You're not putting up effects, you're not putting up
sensations, or you're not creating people, you're not mocking up
people, you're not mocking up walls, or floors, or situations. You're
simply mocking up postulates. What we're working with are just
postulates. That's the whole level of level 5, it's postulates. That's
all we are working with at level 5, it's postulates. We don't work
with anything else, we time-break out anything else that shows up. We
only
work with postulates at level 5.
It's an incredible thing to work with. At first it seems very
strange and so forth, very odd and peculiar to be just working with
postulates. But after one get's used to it, when you get into Level 5
you get to a point eventually where you wouldn't dream of working
with anything else but postulates because you get the fastest results
working with postulates and you always work with just postulates.
You simply time-break out everything else that shows up. Any incidents
that show up, or sensations, or emotions or whatever will show up. You
simply time-break them out. So at level 5 you're working purely with
postulates. Once you grasp that, you got it. You got it. You can
work then on level 5 and realize what you're doing.
Today's Topics:
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Hello, Llewellin, Colleen here.
I think you may be the first person on this list who wrote even this
much
about their Level Five experiences, and what you wrote makes perfect
sense
to me. Did you have any problem in the beginning putting up postulates
the
way Dennis says, and that produced change for you?
Do you find Level Five to be "beautiful". I'm asking because Dennis saw
it
as a thing of beauty... an intriguing viewpoint.
When I first found TROM I scoured the Trom list archives for clues and
some
real life examples because I was not very able at duplicating the simple
instructions and was unsure. It was a bit frustrating in the beginning,
so
I would like other upcoming Trommers to have more concrete examples in
case
they too don't quite "get it", or are unsure.
Thank you for sharing your wins, and the reminder to continue to live
some
life.
colleen
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