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replay B34
Date:
Fri,
07 Aug 1998 16:47:41 +0200
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
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To:
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(continueing replays of TROM-l not issued before. This goes to where
the
original replay series reaches Replay 6.)
Since there is little traffic on TROM-l, I am wondering whether you
would like me to send out 2 replays a week (we originally sent out
more
than one replay a week, but I cut back to encourage new
communication). Or perhaps people doing TROM would like to report on
their wins, progress and questions. Of course I know it is not
"nice"
to be the first one to write after a pause - but what if there is no
first?
there will be no second :-)
Best, and good tromming,
Ant
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Subject:
HELLO!
Date:
Thu, 03 Jul 1997 21:36:31
-0700
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Greetings Fellow
Tromers,
July 3, 1997
My name is
Michael Bonnycastle and I am delighted to be a new
suscriber
to Trom-l. I have been on Trom for
almost 11 weeks amd it has been
tremendous.
What I particularly like is the
honesty of Dennis H. Stephens in
laying the
whole thing out. I have been on
level 5 for about 6 weeks and I
find the more
R.I. one runs and varied, the
better the session. I mean it makes
a DRAMATIC
difference. I find following
suggestions from the clearing course
has helped
also, such as: do it ploddingly and
methodically, audit daily, a
session missed
is a session lossed. I have to
resist the urge to 'get it all at
once', and
just keep digging more out of the
ditch. It seems on level five
that ones
case is getting more and more flat.
It is increasingly clear that
conviction
is the largest factor in
differentiating the basic postulates. I
would
love to hear from others who are
doing or done Trom. I really
would enjoy hearing
about the finis of level five. I
really cannot overestimate the
importance of
Trom to myself, or the depth of
gratitude to this remarkable
fellow, Dennis H.
Stephens.
Michael Bonnycastle
Subject:
Re:compulsions
Date:
Fri, 04 Jul 1997 15:06:46
-0700
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Richard Platek wrote:
>
> MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE wrote: (snipsters)
>
> > The non-life compulsions that plague one, every day get
increasigly
> > flat. It's really delightful.
> >
> >-Michael
>
> Michael,
>
> The phrase "non-life compulsions that plague one" is very
well said.
> Perhaps you might share your experience and mastery of same.
>
> Love, Lion
Hello Richard,
JULY 4, 1997
Well, as you go on with the
excercises, ones awareness increases
considerabley of these
things. To the point where you, almost
objectively are aware of
their quiet presence.
Example: Somebody you work with that you
havn't got on with very
well, but you detect for
whatever reason their discomfort. You
then compulsively try to
avoid them. Just not
confront this individual in any way due
seemingly to the lack of
chemistry. But it's a
very compulsive thing. This is an example
of something I have
targeted in Trom because
you come to look for them. Then when one
goes(away from their
session) out into life
and finds these sensations utterly
dropping away, and it increases
and increases,
your standing there very much delighted.
On level five, one
becomes aware of these things
and intentionally works them in session,
and as a result they quite
effortlessly really
cease to bother one! It's exciting
because you everyday are quite
aware of being less and
less an affect these miserable
things!
best regards,
Michael
Subject:
response
Date:
Sat, 05 Jul 1997 15:00:32
-0700
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Hi Judith,
Yes, that's true.
I like so much your discovery of
responsibility. Was
That something that perhaps
would occur to you, moments out of
session,
completely out of session, in
session, etc.? I ask this because
it is a
real joy, the way one goes
about their business and bits of
mental
mass pop up seemingly during
the day, and you spot them and
they sort of,
shall we say disintegrate.
For myself, these 'revelations' come
about at
any time. So are you saying
that your sense of being cause of
everything,
that is your awareness of
what must be known, and not known in
respect of
your own viewpoint, of
course, increased to the point where it
was altogether
ho-hum? By the way, this
communicating, I must say, really seems
to forward
ones case, thanks very
much.
Michael
Subject:
Re: opposites
Date:
Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:53:21 +0100
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Michael
Thanks for this interesting post and I agree that it is most
important
to find the exact opposite, and that it is actually very simple if
you
look carefully.
Judith
In message <[email protected]>, "MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]> writes
>July 7, 1997
>
>
> Today
there was some real clarity regarding all the conviction
>phenomena
> we are
surrounded by or surround ourselves with. It's these
opposite
>
postulates and their power to overwhelm us that keep the most
dogged
>of
>
compulsions in place. There is a beauty in the simplicity of
this.
>The
> real
importance of finding the exact opposite has been
emphasized, or
>it
> won't
work properly(null, erase). This is very interesting.
>
>
Michael Bonnycastle
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Re: postulates
Date:
Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:21:59 +0100
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Michael
>I wanted to bring up the subject
>of
> making
ones postulates 'stick'. In session, I realized that
there
>are
> very
definite gradations regarding ones attention dedicated to
the
> opposing
postulate, and one wonders to what degree one might
>'minimize'
> shall we
say, attention to the opposing postulate compared to
our own
>
postulate at hand, for making our own postulates really work.
Have
>you
> observed
anything regarding this? I know the definition of
'positive
>
postulate' from the tech dictionary, I wonder if this is what one
>should
> be
aiming for. It would seem to be more than a mystical or
>inexplicable
> thing.
>
>
Michael Bonnycastle
I find it hard to talk about this, because there are no words to
describe what really happens or quite how it works. The best I can
offer is from my own experience - so this is what has worked and
does
work for me.
I know a little about the Tao way of life, and undoubtedly life is
pleasantest when one is balanced - when one is not compelled to play
this game or that, but has a choice. Having a choice depends on how
free you are. Being free appears to be a state of creative
balancedness. Don't be deceived that being balanced is being still.
Balance is a state of constant motion, constant adjustment to where
you
find yourself. If you can't keep yourself balanced, you soon know
it,
'cos you fall over.
At the moment I find my life pretty much runs delightfully. If I
think
of something I need, it often just comes my way - I don't know
what's
coming up next, but is almost always interesting and fun. Life is
quite
magical - which is not to say that it is perfect. So it is on the
basis
of that that I offer the following. One of the major keys to my
postulates is keeping them non-specific. At present I seem to
operate
mainly on one postulate - that is simply - Life goes remarkably well
-
and it does. Its amazing but true. I find I am quite happy with that
postulate - it fills all my empty spaces quite satisfactorily and I
seem
to have lots of great games come along. I never know quite what, so
that makes it exciting. But I'm jumping ahead....
I realised when I did Trom that I was making massive clear spaces in
my
mind, and I really, really wanted to make new good games for myself.
Clear space, or 'nothing' is not a good thing with which to play
games.
In fact, Nature abhors a vacuum and will fill it up with anything.
But
one doesn't want anything in that space. It is good to remember that
it
is actually remarkably easy to fall back into old patterns in the
absence of anything better to do. You actually have to actively
create
new postulates that you want - no good doing nothing.
In our native state we are spirits, and spirits spend their time
creating and playing games. Looking carefully at life, one finds
that
absolutely everything a being does has the attritutes of a game.
Simple
chores, complex actions, be they fleeting or long term, are all built
on
the structure of a game.
In order to evolve and learn new survival things, one actually needs
to
be able to play the game of life well.
Most people don't even realise that they are participating in a
game.
One could say that it is a step in the game of Life to realise that
there are actually rules. Working them well is an ongoing
exercise.
These rules can be found in many places - often ancient and occult
places. Getting them all at together, rather than just a few is quite
a
task.
So now, after doing lots of Trom and other clearing too, I try to
make
my postulates based strictly on the following rules. I have also
find
that following these rules tends to develop your psychic abilities,
but
it also puts you in a position where you are actually a harmless
fellow,
unless theatened by some non-ethical being.
There is a saying that the mills of god grind slowly, but they grind
fine. I've found this to be extremely true - but by following these
quidelines, one tends to get a good reflection back from the
universe.
I also like the saying: Do what thou will is the whole of the Law
and
the whole of the Law is Love under Will.
This statement is an interesting but true paradox, because love is
superior. But one can live by it or not, one has a choice. Anyway,
love is not quite what most people think it is - an interesting
thing
about it is that it has no laws at all - anything goes - it is the
spirit in which it is done that counts - ie, the intention is the
all
important issue - and also whether the intention works. (Whew -
words
seem to make this simple thing complicated.)
Anyway, I think one needs to find interesting things to do after
working
Trom. Its no good letting life be ho-hum - could end up boring,
which
is not a good place to be.
What I do is follow what ever takes my fancy, but always along the
following rules to the best of my ability:
I've been endeavouring to follow these rules for quite a few years now
-
started before I did Trom - and did RI bearing these rules in mind -
and
still follow them as closely as I can. If life isn't working, I go
straight back to them and Trom and sort it out. Trom and these
guidelines seem to be a pretty powerful combination - though other
clearing may be necessary too.
My facilitator gave them to me - and insisted I learn them off by
heart.
I'm glad I did, they serve me well.
(These are worth printing out and keeping by the way - its beneficial
to
refer to them often)
They are important points to bear in mind when one is creating
postulates - (which is all the time).
RULES AND TRUTHS FOR THE GAME OF LIFE
1. That which one thinks one creates. Whatever happens
to you is
the result of thought since it is the sole source of creation.
2. The stronger and more frequent the thought the more
powerful it
becomes. This works as strongly when used negatively as it does when
used positively.
3. Doubts, fears and uncertainties act as barriers to
any positive
thought and slow down or prevent its attainment. The moment one
realises a thought is undermining one's intention, the positive
thought
must be restated to put one on course again.
4. Concentration on getting rid of an unwanted
condition puts the
attention and creative power on that condition whereas one's thought
should be on the desired state.
5. Visual imagery of the desired result will
strengthen the thought
and make it more real to you. Imagining and fearing failure, or an
undesired condition will creat it, or if it already exists,
encourage
its persistence.
6. One must ask for oneself ONLY that which would be
desirable for
any of mankind. Asking for oneself alone (selfishly) can produce the
desired result but you will render yourself liable for some sort of
kick-back. (Here again is emphasised the value of the non-specific
postulate.)
7. Kicking against any condition in life will result
in its
persistence. Being willing to accept the condition and being willing
for it to happen again enables the condition to be changed in the
way
that one desires.
8. Thinking that something WILL happen places it
permanently in the
future. Think that it is already happening and visualise this.
Making
the basic thought is enough to start the process and it will
continue
right up to the final result unless deflected by negative thought or
action.
9. Impatience in regard to the time it takes to
achieve the goal
acts as a negating influence. Results come when the time is right
for
them to do so. (Although this may be apparent only with hindsight, I
have neverthless found it to be very true.)
10. Avoid making a second postulate to determine how the
first will
come about. Non specific postulates are the best and safest ones.
(EG:
A non-specific postulate is I marry a suitable partner. Putting a
second specific, or qualifying postulate in could be something like
I
marry John - John may appear to be great at the moment but may turn
out
to be unsuitable in the long run. Making unspecific postulates gives
the universe lots of scope to bring the right thing along).
11. One should be ready, willing and able to follow one's
intuitive
feeling as to what needs to be done as a step towards the final
goal.
Some measure of doingness is nearly always necessary. (Intuition is
often not logical, but it is a superior ability).
12. One should NEVER use one's thought power to force
another to do
what one wants, NOT EVEN FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. To do so can produce
very
undesirable repercussions for yourself since this action is totally
unethical. It is a misuse of power and makes you liable to penalties
for having done so.
13 You must be certain that you REALLY DESIRE any
particular change
and not just feel that you ought to desire it. When the will and the
imagination are at war the imagination ALWAYS wins since it is what
you
secretly desire.
14. Really EXPECT things to go right for oneself when this
is not to
the detriment of someone else and this will happen.
15. Do not impose conditions as to how the goal shall be
attained.
Let it work out in its own time and in its own way. (Again, keep it
non-
specific.)
16. Do not be deflected from achieving your goal in your own
way by
the ignorance of others of the way that this works. (Many would love
to
throw you off course!)
17. Do not restrict yourself by pre-conceived ideas, fixed
beliefs
or prejudices.
18. Be willing to LET GO of anything or anyone. Do not try
to hold
on.
19. Do not take yourself or life too seriously. These
guidelines
work better if you don't.
20. Achieve a number of minor successes to gain confidence
and
through these successes gradually build up to handling the major
conditions or changes that one desires.
21. Success breeds success but failure begets failure.
(So
acknowledge all your successes, however small, this gives you
certainty
that things are working well.)
22. Realise that the result of what you create is governed
by
intention.
23. This being so, you are responsible for what you
create.
24. The effects which come from your creation are governed
by the
nature of the creation itself and its intended effect.
25. If you happen to be at unwanted effect in regard to
another's
creation, remember this first of all involved you having thought
that
this can happen.
26. Be certain that every thought is made with LOVE. This
is
essential to success.
If you look carefully at the above, you can clearly see the ancient
rules of karma, or cause and effect.
A good saying to bear in mind is 'Whatever is, is best. If things
are
not as you wish them to be, accept the situation, whilst looking
carefully at it to see what changes you can make to it. Often in
hindsight you will see that Whatever was, was indeed best - you had
something to learn from it.
Rules 22 - 26 are to do with personal responsibility for YOUR OWN
CIRCUMSTANCES. As one's understanding of responsibility grows, so
does
ones ability to control, or be in charge of one's life.
It is also most important to define where one's responsibilities
begin
and end. Others like to blame others - this is not taking
responsibility - look carefully before taking on blame from
others.
Only when you can truly take responsibility for yourself and what
you
create or allow in your life, can you be properly free.
Exercises for the Basic Rules of Positive creation.
1. Let a thought come into your mind. Wht will this
thought tend
to create?
2. Think a definite thought in regard to anything.
What will this
thought tend to create?
3. Think a thought about yourself. What will this
thought tend to
create?
4. If this thought was positive imagine what your next
step ought
to be.
5. If any of the above thoughts were negative think
the thought
that would cancel it out.
6. Think a thought about another. What will this
thought tend to
create. What would it tend to create in regard to yourself? (How
will
your intention reflect back at you?) Use numbers 4 and 5 as
appropriate.
7. Think a thought about an unwanted condition of your
own. Change
this thought to a positive one and proceed with Step 4.
8. Think of a goal that you would like to attain. Find
the
intention and think the positive thought to start its being
attained.
Visualise it being attained. Think of it failing and rememdy this
with
a positive thought.
THE KEY TO GETTING THE RULES OF THE GAME OF LIFE IS VIGILANCE AND
PERSISTENCE. KEEP A CLOSE CHECK ON YOUR THOUGHTS AND KEEP THEM
GOOD.
If you don't feel good,
1. Take time to pause.
2. Look and find out exactly what is causing this
feeling.
3. Check your intentions.
4. Find out what you do want, change your intentions
or actions
according to the basic principles and make the appropriate
thoughts.
5. Put in the necessary doingness to bring these
thoughts to
fruition.
6. it is necessary to accept that things are as they
are for a
reason. Find that reason - which is normally the crux of a lesson
you
need to learn - and then you can begin to change things. Change can
take time.
That is quite enough! Any questions, please ask.
Judith
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Judith Methven
Subject:
Re: Replay 5
Date:
Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:34:15
+0100
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
I would very much go along with Joacquim and Flemming and say that
Finite and Infinite games is very valuable reading to go along with
Trom. It certainly helped me a lot. Gave my understanding of 'games'
depth and breadth.
Judith
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Antony A Phillips
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Box 78
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