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Pete,
In your reply to Alessandro on counter postulates: Counter postulates and the correct use of them was invented by Jesus: Praying for your enemy, blessing him and doing good for your enemy is positing a counter postulate. Return good for evil. It stops the games condition. It stops the O/W sequence. That is also the main difference between Christianity and Islam. Jesus said Love your enemies and the Quran says,.... kill all infidels. (I am aware that there are lots of arguments that that is not what is meant and taken out of context, etc. and it is not my purpose here to argue one way or another. The problem with Islam is that it is at least certainly evidently very prone to extremism and tends not to be peace promoting religion. This is not an opinion. You just have to look at the social conditions and livability of middle east Muslim countries Syria, Iran Libya, Iraq etc. compared to originally Christian based countries. Where are people fleeing from and where are they seeking refuge? Which countries are they doing everything possible, to try and get int? . They are trying to break in, sneak in, begging to get into countries that are Christian based countries. How many people are fighting to immigrate to Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya and even other Muslim countries ? That is because Islam has made their countries unlivable and Christianity has made the countries of Christians the most livable and successful countries in the world. That is mainly because of Jesus' teaching to counter postulate evil with love, prayer, blessings and good will. I recently met a 27 yr old, very intelligent, sensible, sane, university educated Muslim woman from Afganistan, who told me it was a big mistake for Canada to allow all these Muslims immigrants and refugees to come in here. She said that you just wait and see,..... in 50 yrs they will make Canada like the country they came from from. I say she was being way to generous on time. It will likely happen much sooner. So it is Jesus' operating data to end game conditions, O/M sequences, and handle evil with a counter postulate to "save the world". That is all it takes to save the world, is to respond to evil with love, prayer, blessings and good will. Because Jesus' tech is evidently not working well enough, (I say; because it is incomplete) I would add that it also takes good spiritual healing technology to really it get done. The tech is the completion of Jesus's teachings. The root problem is the bank. That is why I say that the tech is actually the second coming of Jesus, but it was hijacked, corrupted, perverted,defiled, bastardized and used for very selfish purposes by LRH. That is my hypothesis. I cut and pasted a section from: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:43-48 Matthew 5:43-48Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more *than others?* do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. The following is from Biblehub site: 5:43-48 The Jewish teachers by neighbour understood only those who were of their own country, nation, and religion, whom they were pleased to look upon as their friends. The Lord Jesus teaches that we must do all the real kindness we can to all, especially to their souls. We must pray for them. While many will render good for good, we must render good for evil; and this will speak a nobler principle than most men act by. Others salute their brethren, and embrace those of their own party, and way, and opinion, but we must not so confine our respect. It is the duty of Christians to desire, and aim at, and press towards perfection in grace and holiness. And therein we must study to conform ourselves to the example of our heavenly Father, 1Pe 1:15,16. Surely more is to be expected from the followers of Christ than from others; surely more will be found in them than in others. Let us beg of God to enable us to prove ourselves his children. Pulpit Commentary <http://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/matthew/5.htm> Verse 44. - Parallel passage: Luke 6:27, 28 <http://biblehub.com/luke/6-27.htm>. But I say unto you, Love your enemies. Of all kinds, whether personal or opponents of you as Christians. Bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you. Rightly omitted by the Revised Version as interpolated from Luke, (For the thought, cf. 1 Corinthians 4:12 <http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/4-12.htm>; Romans 12:14 <http://biblehub.com/romans/12-14.htm>.) And pray. In fullest contrast to the continual ill-wishing of the enemy. "They who can pray for their enemies can accomplish the rest" (Weiss, 'Life,' 2:154). Thus to pray is to come very near to the spirit of Christ (cf. Luke 23:34 <http://biblehub.com/luke/23-34.htm>; Acts 7:60 <http://biblehub.com/acts/7-60.htm>). As a modern example: "Some persons had never had a particular place in my prayers, but for the injuries they have done to me" (Burkitt, ' Diary,' in Ford, on ver. 5). For them that despitefully use you, and persecute you. The words, "that despitefully use you and," are to be omitted, with the Revised Version, as in effect interpolated from Luke. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible <http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/matthew/5.htm> But I say unto you, love your enemies,.... That is, as the Apostle Paul may be thought to interpret the words of Christ, Romans 12:20 <http://biblehub.com/romans/12-20.htm>. "If thine enemy hunger, feed him: if he thirst, give him drink": unless our Lord should be supposed rather to regard the internal affection of the mind; since outward expressions of love, by words and works, are urged in the following exhortations: the actions of a man may be hated, and just indignation be expressed against them, and yet his person be loved, tenderness be used to him, and pity shown him: all men, even enemies, are to be loved with a natural love, as men; though they cannot be loved with a spiritual affection, as brethren in Christ: and in natural affection there are degrees, according to the relation and circumstances that persons stand in to one another. Bless them that curse you: when wicked men curse you, as Shimei cursed David, do not "render evil for evil, or railing for railing, but contrariwise, blessing"; give good words, use kind language, mild and soft expressions; such as may either win upon them, or put them to shame and silence: "bless, and curse not"; the latter belongs to them, the former to you; "let them curse, but bless thou": curses better fit their mouths, and blessings thine. Blessing here, does not signify praising them, for that would be sinful, which is sometimes the sense of the word; nor wishing, or praying for a blessing on them, which is right and good; but this is mentioned afterwards, as distinct from blessing; wherefore, it is better to understand it of a sweet and engaging address unto, and behaviour and conduct towards such, whose mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Do good to them that hate you; such as hate you in their hearts, and discover their hatred by their actions; do not make returns in the same way, but on the contrary, do them all the good you can; perform all the kind offices that lie in your power; let them partake of your bounty and liberality; if poor, feed, clothe, and supply them, as you are able, with the necessaries of life; and give them wholesome advice for the good of their souls: by "so doing", you will "heap coals of fire on their heads"; of enemies, make them friends; engage their affections to you, and you may be happy instruments in doing them good, both in soul and body: and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you. What Christ here commands and advises to, he himself did; for as he hung upon the cross, he prayed for his crucifiers, who were then using him in the most despiteful, as well as cruel manner; saying, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do": and in this he has left us an example, that we should tread in his steps; and here in he was quickly followed by his holy martyr Stephen; who, whilst he was being stoned, prayed for his persecutors and murderers, saying, "Lord, lay not this sin to their charge". This breathes out the true spirit of Christianity, and is peculiar to it. The whole of this is directly opposite to the tenets of the Jews, particularly the Scribes and Pharisees; who allowed of revenge, and keeping anger against any person that had done them an injury, as has been observed: and which were also the sentiments of the Karaites, or Scripturarians, another sect among them who kept to the letter of the Scriptures, and rejected the traditions of the elders, which the Pharisees held: but in this they agreed with them, "that it was right to do good to their friends, and to forgive them that asked pardon of them; but to such men who rendered evil, and did not return to do well, that they might receive forgiveness, , "it is not forbidden to revenge, and to keep anger against them" (s).'' It is indeed said (t) of their former holy men, "Hasideans", which some have thought to be the same with the "Essenes", and a sort of Christians; however, were a better sort of Jews; that these "heard their reproach, but did not return it; and not only so, but they pardoned him that reproached them, and forgave him.'' And it is reported of these men, that they used to pray to God to pardon and forgive all that disturbed them. But the Pharisees, whom Christ had to do with, and against whom he inveighs, were men of another complexion. (s) R. Eliahu in Adderet, c. 3. apud Trigland. de Sect. Karaeorum, c. 10. p. 166, 167. (t) Maimon. Hilch. Talmud Tora. c. 7. sect. 13. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary <http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jfb//matthew/5.htm> 44. But I say unto you, Love your enemies—The word here used denotes moral love, as distinguished from the other word, which expresses personal affection. Usually, the former denotes "complacency in the character" of the person loved; but here it denotes the benignant, compassionate outgoings of desire for another's good. bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you—The best commentary on these matchless counsels is the bright example of Him who gave them. (See 1Pe 2:21-24; and compare Ro 12:20, 21; 1Co 4:12; 1Pe 3:9). But though such precepts were never before expressed—perhaps not even conceived—with such breadth, precision, and sharpness as here, our Lord is here only the incomparable Interpreter of the law in force from the beginning; and this is the only satisfactory view of the entire strain of this discourse. Matthew 5:44 Additional Commentaries <http://biblecommenter.com/matthew/5-44.htm> Context Love Your Enemies <http://biblehub.com/matthew/5.htm> …43 <http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-43.htm>"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44 <http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-44.htm>"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 <http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-45.htm>so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.… Cross References 1 Samuel 24:17 <http://biblehub.com/1_samuel/24-17.htm> "You are more righteous than I," he said. "You have treated me well, but I have treated you badly. Proverbs 19:11 <http://biblehub.com/proverbs/19-11.htm> A person's wisdom yields patience; it is to one's glory to overlook an offense. Proverbs 25:21 <http://biblehub.com/proverbs/25-21.htm> If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. Luke 6:27 <http://biblehub.com/luke/6-27.htm> "But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, Luke 6:28 <http://biblehub.com/luke/6-28.htm> bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 23:34 <http://biblehub.com/luke/23-34.htm> Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots. John 13:34 <http://biblehub.com/john/13-34.htm> "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. David On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:17 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < [email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Alessandro > I see your point. If you want to play games with compulsive games > players where they will respect you you have to match their violence and > block their postulates. > > If that is what you want to do then you can do it. > > But that is a game I have played many times and am working out the details > of how to not play compulsive games any more. > > So how could I handle aggressive guys in the military with a complementary > postulate. > > Nothing comes immediately to mind but that just means I need to work out a > number of responses to that type of situation such as creating the > impression that a high ranking officer is walking by while snapping to > attention and saluting. When they automatically do the same say "Yes Sir" > and walk away. They will think someone game me an order and do nothing to > interfere. > You could also really put these guys off by saying "Please Please push me > around." They will wonder where the hidden camera is and go away. > Sun Tzu in "The Art of War" suggests that the way to stop an opposing army > is to put something unexpected in their path. This pleading to be pushed > around fits that bill. > > While Dennis mentioned the complementary postulate if you peruse the level > 5 chart you will find that in any game you have opposing players, > complementary players and an audience but then there are millions of people > who are doing nothing at all in a particular game. For instance you could > start a football game and have fellow players, opponent players an audience > and millions of people who are paying no attention to your game because > they are playing other games. > So this means you can put up a complementary postulate to someone else's > game or no postulate at all as you just wander away uninterested in what > they are doing. > > So these toughs come up to you and you tap the button on your cell phone > so it rings and put it to your ear and say "Yes, Sir." And just walk away > completely ignoring the guys. > > I'm sure you could come up with other responses to this situation. > > Now let's move up the gradient. The tax man contacts you and says you owe > sales tax on a shipment you got delivered by truck. You respond by saying > "I don't recall receiving that item. Can you be more specific on what was > in the shipment, who was the carrier, what was the parcel number etc.". "I > can check my records and see if I can figure out what it was. Will you call > me back tomorrow?" > When the tax man hangs up you go over your feelings about this guy and > what he wants. You release any resistance to paying the bill if you must > but you put out the pan determined postulate that it is such a small tax > bill and so much bother that the tax man would rather just let this one go > while he takes up a tax bill that will get him more money. > > The chances are good that this effort on your part will end up with no > call back from the tax man at all. ( this actually worked for me by the > way.) > > So Alessandro you see that complementary postulates is only the first step > in handling other game players. And what I put above is just a few > examples. You can work out other ways. > > Another one comes to mind. People think that if there is a "Law" about > something that it is always uniformly applied. This is definitely not the > case. For instance if it is the law that you cannot spit on the sidewalk > and it is a capital offense to do so can you think of ways to do it without > being caught or where being caught will so embarrass the police that they > will not enforce the rule? > > Have fun with developing your skill at not playing others games. > > Sincerely > Peter McLaughlin > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 14, 2016, at 10:02 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Il 13/03/16 13:00, [email protected] ha scritto: > >> Hi Alessandro > >> What you are proposing with "to out create" being to force another to > experience what the other is creating is a games condition. Is that what > you want to do? > >> > >> To me Dennis's idea of creating a complementary postulate to the > suppressive persons game and not playing any games with them is the better > solution. > >> > >> Just because another gives offense does not mean you have to take > offense. > >> > >> Sincerely > >> Pete McLaughlin > > Hi Pete, > > first of all I had this intuition or you you could call it a > realization.Then I thought about it , and see if it could be used in life. > > Or how to apply it and if it is worth using it.And think about this : a > complementary postulate to somebody that is shouting at you saying "you > stupid man!" wouldn't be shouting back to him "you stupid man , I am not > going playing you stupid game,shut up!". > > > > To bring into existence an opposition postulate to and aggression (be > it verbal or phisical) would be to receive the offence, stay quiet and go > away.Isn't it ? I know it sounds odd, but think about the fact that people > like us , that like to live an ethic life , and trying to never arm someone > else,and that refuse violence , have also put to 0 a class of postulates, > that suppressive people have put to 1 and use it daily.Lie Dennis says, > when he was making an example about how to program a mind,that what you do > with this technic is up to you and you are the only one responsible for any > outcome.I think we should learn and accept to use "violence" , by being > wery much aware about the outcomes. > > Obviously and don't go aroung shouting to any people that offends me. > There is a gradient scale.You have to use with some common sense to the > situation you are facing.You can go from standing firmly on you word,not > accepting any provocation remaining calm , to shout like hell,if needed. > > If we assign to win the value 1 and to lose the value 0 , then all the > possible classes of outcomes you can experience,are" > > > > Myself the other guy > > > > class 1) 1 and 0 = I win the other > lose , means I use violence to him , but this not the case so I put this > postulates class to 0 in my daily life > > > > class 2) 0 and 1 = I lose the other wins > , means I receive the aggression , keep silent , and accept to be a > victim.you put this class of postulates > > to 1 if you > don't react . > > > > class 3) 0 and 0 = we both lose , means > we both kill each other ? > > > > class 4) 1 and 1 = we both win , means > we both demostrate to the other our strength , and we both decide to not go > on , and we respect each > > other.(this > class of postulates I experienced . For example once in my life . when I > was doing the military service,I was sent to > > a new > barrack.There I was a new person to all the other person there.The second > day I was there , while I was dressing myself, > > two other > guys came to me and says "let's see how strong you are" , and they > assaulted me.I didn't try to escape or to avoid > > the fight, > instead I react and attacked them.The results ? they stopped fighting and > from that moment I gained their respect. > > > > What do you think ? > > happy RI-ing > > alessandro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TROM mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >
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