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Subject:
TROM: Replay B39
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998
11:51:34 +0200
From: Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
Organization: International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
Subject: level 5
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997
19:32:50 -0700
From: "MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Judith,
September 11, 1997
You
know I realized after hearing and reading the transcript of Dennis
Stephens clarifying further
level 5 that I really had put entirely too much
emphasis on the effects.
Instead of putting up the postulates and holding
them, then timebreaking away
any effects that came up, I was searching about
for particular effects that
were in line with the postulates. Although I
did notice substantial
change, the gains of course have been different since
I have been running level
five correctly these past weeks. I have started
to become aware of the open
spaces that one makes in their mind, as you have said,
with level five. What is also
delightful, is that I have been really working on the
rules of the game of life.
And they have been working! The patience factor, not
trying to rush things but
letting things happen in their time I have found
a most valuable point. It
seems that being balanced or out of the compulsive
state in ones postulates is
also favorable. It seems Dennis was really telling
us to what degree we could
expect to work the basic package to when he said
you don't leave it until the
boredom is 'coming out of your ears'. Boredom
really seems to be the key
indicator, to really run any level until the real
boredom sets in and the
misemotion or change has stilled. Can you tell me
anything further about your
experience and the rules of the game of life?
Best Wishes,
Michael Bonnycastle
Subject: After Trom
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997
19:46:45 -0700
From: "MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Dear
Antony,
September 11, 1997
Thank
you for your input on what step one might take after Trom. In fact
I have just received my latest Ivy
and a post card from Bob Ross so I intend
follow up with him after the
holidays. You seemed to indicate that it might
be beneficial to find an auditor
versed in the 50's scientology processes. This
unfortunately sounds like
something, a technology which before long may be lost.
Best Wishes,
Michael Bonnycastle
Subject: Re:
After Trom
Date: Fri,
12 Sep 1997 07:50:33 +0200
From: Antony
Phillips <[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
References:
1
MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE wrote:
>
> Dear
Antony,
September 11, 1997
>
>
Thank you for your input on what step one might take after Trom. In
fact
> I have just
received my latest Ivy and a post card from Bob Ross so I intend
> follow up with
him after the holidays. You seemed to indicate that it might
> be beneficial
to find an auditor versed in the 50's scientology processes.
This
> unfortunately
sounds like something, a technology which before long may be lost.
>
>
Best Wishes,
>
>
Michael Bonnycastle
Lost? Probably not. If it is good it will survive. But it does take
a
bit of creation to make things survive :-)
If I hinted about an _auditor_ _versed_ in the tech of the 50's,
that
was probably right, in that it did not imply that he _used_ them.
The
top auditor will make other's work his own (the good parts, or parts
he
agrees with) and will audit his own way.
Or put another way, would you like to be audited robotically on
processes from the 50's?
>From as yet unpublished articles of Bob, I don't think you will
get
robotic 50's processing from Bob.
--
Ant
Antony A Phillips
[email protected]
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy) see Home Page:
http://home.sn.no/home/trone/IVy.html
Subject: Copyrights
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997
09:29:06 -0400
From: Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To: TROM
<[email protected]>
>>>
In letters and on tape, Dennis told me repeatedly: No
translations.
His reason: key concepts in 'TROM' might become slightly changed
if
translated into a different language - and the alteration could be
sufficient for mis-understanding and mis- application.
If you were to make a translation, that would be unethical and
illegal
- _unless_, prior to doing so, you asked and received clear written
permission from Mrs. Walker Stephens.
<<<
This view seems unnecessarily fundamentalist to me. The very idea of
"slight changes" being a problem is absurd for 3
reasons
ä) Dennis had no group to test if the ideas were "ëxactly
correct" anyway.
b) Different people will understand the same words quite differently,
so
there is no way to say the same thing exactly to all people.
c) Untranslated words to a non-native speaker of English will of
course
change meaning MUCH more than a translation will.
As regards copyright, there is no clear legal position that applies in
all
countries. Does the copyright belong to Dennis, or to the person
that
assembled the material off papers and tapes and printed it?
If Anne Walker had actually SEEN Dennis write a publication, or pilot
TROM
on a real group of people, there would be some reason to think she
would
need to give written permission for that exact work to be translated.
If,
however, someone else compiled his material off scraps of paper and
tapes
in a different country, there is no reason why she would be
interested.
The issue then is only if she has given a specific LACK of
permission,
which is not the case.
If he or his widow has copyright because of the PROCESS, rather then
who
actually assembled the book, nobody can proove whether he or I own
the
copyright. It has obvious similarities to the Trackblaster I printed
many
years before TROM was printed, and told Dennis about in 1983.
On that basis, I hereby donate copyright of the process, ready for
translation, to the entire universe. Who else could own it, as most
discoveries, scientific or philosophical, happen in many places
simultaneously.
Rowland Barkley
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
http://tranceform.org
email: [email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
Subject: Re: Copyrights
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997
11:10:56 -0400
From: "Dustin W.
Carr" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
>
>This view seems unnecessarily fundamentalist to me. Te very
idea of
>"slight changes" beng a problem is absurd for 3
reasons
>
>ä) Dennis had no group to test if the ideas were "ëxactly
correct" anyway.
>b) Different people will understand the same words quite
differently, so
>there is no way to say the same thing exactly to all people.
That has been continually demonstrated on this list. In fact, the
obscure
way in which it was written has demanded that this would happen.
>c) Untranslated words to a non-native speaker of english will of
course
>change meaning MUCH more than a translation will.
>
>As regards copyright, there is no clear legal position that applies
in all
>countries. Does the copyright belong to Dennis, or to the
person that
>assembeled the material off papers and tapes and printed it?
I know something of copyrights in this country. I know it involves
certain
doingnesses which have not been done, last I heard.
>If he or his widow has copyright because of the PROCESS, rather then
who
>actually assembled the book, nobody can proove whether he or I own
the
>copyright. It has obvious similarities to the Trackblaster I
printed many
>years before TROM was printed, and told Dennis about in 1983.
>
>On that basis, I hereby donate copyright of the process, ready
for
>translation, to the entire universe. Who else could own it, as
most
>discoveries, scientific or philosophical, happen in many places
>simultaneously.
>From what I have read on this list, your trackblaster process is
similar to
the timebreaking. I personally consider timebreaking is just a part
of
trom. The theory and process behind level 5 has been the biggest
part.
I do, however, have an earlier reference for level five as well. My
friend
Lao wrote it around 4000 BC. (give or take a couple thousand years)
The
copyright he so fervently fought for has since expired
(sarcasm).
I guess that makes TROM a compilation (a good one) of earlier ideas.
I
appreciate the work that was done by Dennis, and I would never demean it
or
make it less than it is. If someone wants to write another compilation,
in
any language, they are free to do so.
Dustin
>
>Rowland Barkley
>
> * * * * * * *
* * * *
>Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
>
http://tranceform.org email: [email protected]
> * * * * * *
"Create your dream and step into it"
>
Dustin W. Carr
Cornell University Physics Department
G-6 Clark Hall
Ithaca NY, 14853
[email protected]
Subject: Copyright and
translation
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997
19:32:26 +0200
From: Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected], [email protected]
CC: [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
Rowland, Dustin, CC: trom-l
Thank you both for very valuable contributions to the subject.
I particularly commend Rowlands action: "On that basis, I hereby
donate
copyright of the process, ready for translation, to the entire universe.
"
I have before made known my views, actually echoed ( :-) ) by
Hubbard
in his Superior service Image Program No. 1. Short quote: (talking
of
field auditors he says) "Let them flub, as you are trying to
control
something you cannot." Hubbard then makes a strong plea (or
order...)
for there to be a place where people "messed up" could go for
help. For
TROM, that place would be trom-l, and I commend those on TROM-L who
are
doing that.
--
Ant
Antony A Phillips
[email protected]
Subject: Forward from
Greg
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997
19:53:12 +0200
From: Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Dear Trommers,
I have got permission from Greg Pickering to send you the enclosed
which
he sent to me. As you see, Greg was involved with the preparation
of
TROM, and had close contact with Dennis at the time, and therefore
I
feel his views were valuable. He has not been on trom-l, until
_very_
recently, and this seems to have led to a misunderstanding on the
reason
for the copyright etc. discussion.
Here is is:
Subject: Re: Copyright and
translation
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 09:06:59
+1000
From: Greg Pickering
<[email protected]>
To:
<[email protected]>
Hi Ant,
I must say that I found the tone of the previous comm rather
unpalatable.
To be raising issues of who owns what copyrights to TROM and if/how
they
might be circumvented smacks of vultures picking over the
cadaver.
Let me state again for the record that Dennis was egalitarian in
nature.
He WANTED TROM to be known and used. He wanted it to be freely
available
at minimal cost. Does this sound like someone who would be all
engrossed
in working out who got what and how much - No! If it needs to be
said,
let me formally renounce and claim of ownership to TROM. I only ask
that
I finally be acknowledged as the transcriber and compiler of the
original
research notes which I believe is my fair due. Beyond that I ask
nothing.
So post it to the Web. Make it available to all. And let TROM make a
difference.
------
Regarding the other issue raised about translations of TROM let me say
this.
Dennis was of the 'old school Scn' which place enormous value over
the
words of processes rather than the concept of the process.
Dennis explained to me early on that he had been 'damaged' while
running
many of the early experimental GPM type processes at Saint Hill.
Even
many years later he had still not fully destimulated and so embarked on
a
solo project to locate and handle the 'remnants' which had been
stirred
up by left unhandled. This research evolved into TROM. So
essentially
TROM began life as a repair program to solve Dennis's unresolved
case.
One of the discoveries to come out of TROM was that Dennis
identified
what he believed were wrong assumptions regarding formation of the
GPM
which were the cause of Rons failure to complete the research and
fully
resolve the phenomenon.
He realised that the processes developed for level 5 and 5A were a
more
basic undercut to the GPM issue and not only resolved the phenomenon
but
handled any BPC accumulated through other approaches.
Having such a valable technique, Dennis then looked to develop the
levels 1 to 4 as a gradient into level 5.
Given Dennis's previous experience of having 'bad' auditing and also
due
to his traditional Scn training which threatens dire consequences
for
even moving a finger incorrectly, Dennis was reluctant to see TROM
translated into other languages. Even when I was transcribing TROM I
was required to submit the draft to him 3 times before he was happy with
it.
But times change and so do viewpoints. I believe there is no harm in
translating TROM provided the concepts of the words and processes
are
true to the original. But who will do the quality assessment of a
re-drafted manual?
To place responsibility for success or failure on the shoulders of
the
practitioner is fine but first the practitioner needs to have
confidence
that the materials they receive are accurate and they therefore stand
a
good chance of success.
Best regards
Greg
END OF PASTE of Gregs letter.
Maybe it is food for thought, for comments, and for questions (Greg
is
at the moment on the list).
All the best,
Ant
--
Ant
Antony A Phillips
[email protected]
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy) see Home Page:
http://home.sn.no/home/trone/IVy.html
Subject: Greg and
Copyrights
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997
06:15:10 -0400
From: Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To: TROM
<[email protected]>
>From Greg Pickering>>>
If it needs to be said, let me formally renounce and claim of
ownership to TROM. I only ask that I finally be acknowledged
as the transcriber and compiler of the original research notes
which I believe is my fair due. Beyond that I ask
nothing.<<<
This makes Greg, if anyone, the copyright holder, as it is him that
compiled a published work.
All people involved, including Anne Walker and Dennis Stevens, are to
my
knowledge egalitarian, and copyrights, apart from politeness to
those
involved, are a non-issue.
The basic Track Blaster process I gave Dennis in 1983 is something I
have
never thought of as a solo process, so good wishes to anyone who can
make
it work as such.
You people are the test group. Dennis didn't have one. Enjoy
testing.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
http://tranceform.org
email: [email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
Subject: Re: Greg and
Copyrights
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997
13:40:20 -0400
From: "Dustin W.
Carr" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
>
>The basic Track Blaster process I gave Dennis in 1983 is something I
have
>never thought of as a solo process, so good wishes to anyone who can
make
>it work as such.
I used it as described by Dennis with positive effect. I don't continue
to
use it because the time track does not have any significance to me,
having
been blasted to pieces by the process (I assume you named it Track
Blaster
for a good reason). I do similar processes now that just involve
"viewing"
emotional vibrations as they come up in level 5 (and in other processes
I
have developed), but these vibrations are not associated with the
past.
>
>You people are the test group. Dennis didn't have one.
Enjoy testing.
>
>
> * * * * * * *
* * * *
>Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
>
http://tranceform.org email: [email protected]
> * * * * * *
"Create your dream and step into it"
>
Dustin W. Carr
607-255-2329
Technical Research Associate
[email protected]
Cornell Nanofabrication Facility
Knight Laboratory
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
Subject: Re: Trom
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997
18:33:01 +1000
From: Judith Anderson
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Dear Trommers and Rowland, When I send the Disks of Trom to Homer in
New
York to be put on the net I will put a note somewhere along with the
*no
responsibility taken* declaration (a copy of which I thought I put on
this
list some time ago asking for comments) that Greg Pickering did the work
of
transcribing the original text from the research notes of Dennis
Stephens.
I am pleased to say that Michael McGuinness [email protected] has offered
to
do the Web Page for us.
As I can't find the suggested disclaimer on the list I repeat it here
for
your comment:
____________________________________________________________________________
___________
*THE RESOLUTION OF THE MIND*(COMMONLY CALLED TROM), A GAMES MANUAL by
DENNIS
H. STEPHENS, IS A SPIRAL BOUND 76 PAGE TYPE WRITTEN BOOK TAKING THE
READER
THROUGH FIVE LEVELS OF MENTAL EXERCISES TO A POINT OF *NO GAMES
CONDITION*.
IT IS HEREBY (IN ITS ENTIRETY), PLACED IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. IT MAY
BE
FREELY COPIED, PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, TRANSLATED (accurate translations
understood to be the responsibility of the translator) AND, OR
TRANSMITTED
ELECTRONICALLY BY ANYONE PROVIDING THAT IT IS DONE SO IN FULL, AND
NOT
ALTERED IN ANY WAY, AND THAT NO FEE IS CHARGED FOR DOING SO. A
PRINTED
VERSION OF TROM IS AVAILABLE FROM THE TWO DISTRIBUTORS OF TROM FOR A
FEE.
THOSE READING IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THAN ENGLISH MUST UNDERSTAND IT IS
A
TRANSLANTION UNCHECKED BY THE AUTHOR.
THESE SIX PARAGRAPHS ALSO COMPRISE PART OF THE WHOLE AND MUST BE
PRINTED
WITH THE TEXT.
THE DISTRIBUTORS of the printed version are: (1) JUDITH K. ANDERSON,
P.O.
Box 212, Red Hill, 4059, Queensland, Australia. Cost $A40, or Pounds
Ster.20
including postage. E-mail address [email protected]. (2) FLEMMING
FUNCH,
17216 Saticoy Ave, #147, Van Nuys, CA 91406, USA. Cost $US40
including
postage. E-mail address [email protected].
THE INFORMATION AND EXERCISES CONTAINED IN TROM ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHOR,
AND
THE DISTRIBUTORS DO NOT ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY REGARDING THE USE OF
SUCH
INFORMATION AND EXERCISES, NOR ANY CONSEQUENCE TO PERSONS WHO APPLY
SUCH
EXERCISES. IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT GREG PICKERING TRANSCRIBED AND
COMPILED
THIS TEXT FROM THE ORIGINAL RESEARCH NOTES.
IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS A PATH......., THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE
THE
ONLY PATH IN OUR SEARCH FOR BETTERMENT, AND THIS IS ACKNOWLEDGED BY
THE
DISTRIBUTORS. THROUGH IT'S CORRECT USE IT CAN BE OF BENEFIT. IT IS
OF
COURSE EACH PERSON'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TEXT IF
THEY
INTEND TO APPLY IT TO THEMSELVES. THERE IS HELP AND SUPPORT PROVIDED ON
A
LIST ON THE INTERNET where Judith Methven in conjunction with Leonard
Dunn
have offered to be Technical Advisers (TO SUBSCRIBE write to
[email protected] and on the first line of the message area type
"subscribe trom-l".)
_____________________________________________________________________________
I am therefore suggesting that the above, within the lines, should be
placed
at the beginning of the print out and I am asking your opinions
(multiple)
as to wording. When I get a feedback I will send the disc to Homer as
per
his kind offer to put it on the net.
Cheers, Judith
At 06:15 AM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>From Greg Pickering>>>
> If it needs to be said, let me formally renounce and claim of
>ownership to TROM. I only ask that I finally be
acknowledged
> as the transcriber and compiler of the original research notes
> which I believe is my fair due. Beyond that I ask
nothing.<<<
>
>This makes Greg, if anyone, the copyright holder, as it is him
that
>compiled a published work.
>
>All people involved, including Anne Walker and Dennis Stevens, are to
my
>knowledge egalitarian, and copyrights, apart from politeness to
those
>involved, are a non-issue.
>
>The basic Track Blaster process I gave Dennis in 1983 is something I
have
>never thought of as a solo process, so good wishes to anyone who can
make
>it work as such.
>
>You people are the test group. Dennis didn't have one.
Enjoy testing.
>
>
> * * * * * * *
* * * *
>Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
>
http://tranceform.org email: [email protected]
> * * * * * *
"Create your dream and step into it"
>
>
Judith K.
Anderson
^..^
Tel/Fax. 61-7-3844 7576 ~
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Subject: Re: Trom
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997
14:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Homer W.
Smith" <[email protected]>
To: Judith
Anderson <[email protected]>
CC: Trom-L List
<[email protected]>
>
> IT IS HEREBY (IN ITS ENTIRETY), PLACED IN THE PUBLIC
DOMAIN.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
NEVER EVER EVER EVER place the work into the public
domain.
In the first place, if it is in the public domain, you
can't
control it at all, nor place limitations on it or how it is used
or abused. So if you want to maintain any control over it, then
you need to retain copyright.
What you do is say that you maintain the copyright on
it,
but give permission for it to be freely copied and distributed
as long as it is done so in its entirety and the copyright message
is maintained on all copies.
You might want to check out the GNU Copyleft. It may
not
be exactly what you want, but includes the right to resell the
work as long as the reseller doesn't try to prevent others from giving
it
away for free or reselling it themselves.
Perhaps someone on TROM-L would be kind enough to post
the GNU Copyleft to trom-l.
Homer
IT MAY BE
> FREELY COPIED, PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, TRANSLATED (accurate
translations
> understood to be the responsibility of the translator) AND, OR
TRANSMITTED
> ELECTRONICALLY BY ANYONE PROVIDING THAT IT IS DONE SO IN FULL, AND
NOT
> ALTERED IN ANY WAY, AND THAT NO FEE IS CHARGED FOR DOING SO. A
PRINTED
> VERSION OF TROM IS AVAILABLE FROM THE TWO DISTRIBUTORS OF TROM FOR A
FEE.
> THOSE READING IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THAN ENGLISH MUST UNDERSTAND
IT IS A
> TRANSLANTION UNCHECKED BY THE AUTHOR.
>
> THESE SIX PARAGRAPHS ALSO COMPRISE PART OF THE WHOLE AND MUST BE
PRINTED
> WITH THE TEXT.
>
> THE DISTRIBUTORS of the printed version are: (1) JUDITH K.
ANDERSON, P.O.
> Box 212, Red Hill, 4059, Queensland, Australia. Cost $A40, or Pounds
Ster.20
> including postage. E-mail address [email protected]. (2)
FLEMMING FUNCH,
> 17216 Saticoy Ave, #147, Van Nuys, CA 91406, USA. Cost $US40
including
> postage. E-mail address [email protected].
>
> THE INFORMATION AND EXERCISES CONTAINED IN TROM ARE THOSE OF THE
AUTHOR, AND
> THE DISTRIBUTORS DO NOT ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY REGARDING THE USE
OF SUCH
> INFORMATION AND EXERCISES, NOR ANY CONSEQUENCE TO PERSONS WHO APPLY
SUCH
> EXERCISES. IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT GREG PICKERING TRANSCRIBED AND
COMPILED
> THIS TEXT FROM THE ORIGINAL RESEARCH NOTES.
>
> IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS A PATH......., THOUGH IT MAY
NOT BE THE
> ONLY PATH IN OUR SEARCH FOR BETTERMENT, AND THIS IS ACKNOWLEDGED BY
THE
> DISTRIBUTORS. THROUGH IT'S CORRECT USE IT CAN BE OF
BENEFIT. IT IS OF
> COURSE EACH PERSON'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TEXT IF
THEY
> INTEND TO APPLY IT TO THEMSELVES. THERE IS HELP AND SUPPORT
PROVIDED ON A
> LIST ON THE INTERNET where Judith Methven in conjunction with
Leonard Dunn
> have offered to be Technical Advisers (TO SUBSCRIBE write
to
> [email protected] and on the first line of the message area
type
> "subscribe trom-l".)
>
_____________________________________________________________________________
>
> I am therefore suggesting that the above, within the lines, should
be placed
> at the beginning of the print out and I am asking your opinions
(multiple)
> as to wording. When I get a feedback I will send the disc to
Homer as per
> his kind offer to put it on the net.
>
> Cheers, Judith
>
>
> At 06:15 AM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>From Greg Pickering>>>
> > If it needs to be said, let me formally renounce and claim
of
> >ownership to TROM. I only ask that I finally be
acknowledged
> > as the transcriber and compiler of the original research
notes
> > which I believe is my fair due. Beyond that I ask
nothing.<<<
> >
> >This makes Greg, if anyone, the copyright holder, as it is him
that
> >compiled a published work.
> >
> >All people involved, including Anne Walker and Dennis Stevens,
are to my
> >knowledge egalitarian, and copyrights, apart from politeness to
those
> >involved, are a non-issue.
> >
> >The basic Track Blaster process I gave Dennis in 1983 is
something I have
> >never thought of as a solo process, so good wishes to anyone who
can make
> >it work as such.
> >
> >You people are the test group. Dennis didn't have
one. Enjoy testing.
> >
> >
> > * * * * * * *
* * * *
> >Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
>
>
http://tranceform.org email: [email protected]
> > * * * * * *
"Create your dream and step into it"
> >
> >
> Judith K.
Anderson
^..^
> Tel/Fax. 61-7-3844
7576 ~
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Subject: Keeping TROM
free
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997
21:44:05 +0200
From: Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Homer stated in a recent message to trom-l:
"In the first place, if it is in the public domain, you can't
control it at all, nor place limitations on it or how it is used
or abused."
If a person of limited finacial means (not a church or a Bill Gates)
does _not_ put TROM or a similar thing in the public domain, can
they
then control it? Can they effectively place limitations on it? In
the
face of Internet technology, photocopy machines, etc. etc.?
TROM has been translated to Russian, and given out in 50 copies. If
those copies have an end word wrongly translated, could Judith
control
it if it was not puhlic domain?
We are witness (if we keep our ears open) to countless copyright CDs
being pirate copied in the far east. Companies with good financial
resources are powerless.
How does Judith Anderson stand?
By making the work totally free, you encourage the initive rich
people
to do something about it, and you encourage all to disclose what
they
are doing. Open communication lines. No one fearing a (fruitless)
reprimand.
Do not try to control something you cannot.
All the best,
Ant
P.S. I received all the Church of Scientologies OT levels by email
today. Did not ask for them, they just came. They are copyright (or
trade secret or something) and confidential. But even the rich Church
of
Scientology can not control them. You expect Judith to control
TROM?
WE have seen many wins from TROM. Let it be disseminated widely,
freely,
no asking for permissions, or wondering whether ones actions will be
misunderstood, or will break a (perhaps petty) rule.
--
Ant
Antony A Phillips
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Subject: Re: Keeping TROM
free
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997
17:49:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Homer W.
Smith" <[email protected]>
To: Antony
Phillips <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
> How does Judith Anderson stand?
>
> By making the work totally free, you encourage the initive rich
people
> to do something about it, and you encourage all to disclose what
they
> are doing. Open communication lines. No one fearing a
(fruitless)
> reprimand.
You can keep copyright and still give out rights to copy
and
enhance.
Homer
Subject: [From Rowland
rKeeping TROM free
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997
16:19:39 +0200
From: Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
This apparently did not go to TROM-l, though addressed to it, you
dear
TROMmers.
Ant
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Ant
Antony A Phillips
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Box 78
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Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy) see Home Page:
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Subject: Keeping TROM
free
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997
09:31:26 -0400
From: Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
"INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Dear TROMmers,
I fully agree with the apparent intent of Antony, Judith, and Homer,
and
feel the messages show a higher degree of ethics than can be imposed
by
copyright.
My "L13" pack (which has the Track Blaster) has a copyright
notice and a
subscription price, which seems to have had 3 beneficial effects:
a) more people coppied it
b) Those that feel a need to take up my time with in-depth questions
about
it have sent me a cheque with the subscription fee, so I felt it
important
to give them good answers.
c) Other authors see my copyright notice, and happily give me a copy
of
their work with it's copyright notice, so we both get to feel good
about
the exchange.
One ''unauthorized" translation appeared in the Ukraine years
later,
resulting in a series of messages where someone in the US, who had
never
met me, booked in 10 hours of sessions with me. "Unauthorized"
copies have
been a significant factor in how I have been able to travel the
world
continuously for 4 years without going hungry.
I like Judith's notice because it requests keeping a work complete.
Also
because I immediately imagined a CD with other works on it, like "10
ways
to go Free, price free." I could perhaps donate "Soul
Retrieval
Counselling" to it.
My suggestion would be for Greg to ask Anne Walker (because they only
live
50Km apart) for him, Judith, and/or Flemming to be copyright holders
for
the agreement that TROM be free via Internet, including copyright
notice
provided coppied in entirety, and the notice to include that anyone
who
prints for profit includes the notice that it may be coppied freely.
90%
Judith's wording. If Anne doesn't find this interesting, then Greg is
the
copyright holder as he compiled and printed the work.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
http://tranceform.org
email: [email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
Subject: Re:level 5 and
emotion
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997
07:32:33 -0700
From: "MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Hello Michael,
Your question requires some reflection. I remember at one point
realizing
that a certain image had a strong emotional content. The emotion was
very
strong and very real. Since it was percept of the scene, it made sense
to
timebreak it. This lead to immediately uncovering another incident in
the
chain. Eventually I uncovered several related incidents.
At some point in time I found that I could actually reduce the whole
chain
by just timebreaking the emotion. This means feeling the emotion and
comparing it to the present time. This was always done in a purely
non-verbal, intuitive way. I did not try to put labels on the emotions,
I
just tried to feel them, creating them with my own intention in
present
time. These emotions were always quite complex, as if they are odd
combinations of many different types of basic emotions.
I soon came to realize that, for any scene, the emotion would
actually
strike me first. This made it totally unimportant to even view scenes,
and
it also made my entire past completely unimportant. This is something
that
would have to be experienced, for I can't explain why this happens,
except
to say that it is the way things should be. The past should not be
more
important than you want it to be, and there should come a time during
your
(or anybody on such a path) growth where you cease to look at the past
for
"true" causes.
Now, on level five, I basically just spend my time holding the postulates
in
place. This will usually inspire a given emotion. I view this emotion
in
present time. This requires that I actually feel the emotion at the
same
time that I feel the absence of the emotion.
I think that is what I do. It is all very intuitive, very non-verbal
now.
The most important thing to realize is that you have the ability, power,
and
judgement to change the process into something that will work better
for
you. No other being will ever lead you into the state that your will
truly
desires. There will come a time in your path where you will no longer
be
able to go on just by following the words of another. You will have to
use
your intuition to make those changes that will allow you to grow into
what
you truly seek to be.
This was probably more long-winded than you wanted. You should
probably
post this to the trom list, but I will leave that up to you.
Dustin
> Hi
Dustin,
>
> I am currently
working level 5 of trom with great benefit and
itis blasting my
> track to
pieces with dispatch. Could you possibly elaborate
onhow you continue level
> 5 by viewing
emotional vibrations and your procedure? Does
oneput up the indicated
> postulates,
hold them, then 'observe' the vibrations?
>
> best
regards,
>
> Michael
Bonnycastle
>
Dustin W. Carr
607-255-2329
Technical Research Associate
[email protected]
Cornell Nanofabrication Facility
Knight Laboratory
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
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