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Subject:
TROM: Replay B46
Date:
Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:14:39 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
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Ant
Antony A Phillips
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tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
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Subject:
TROM on the NET now!!
Date:
Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:40:08
-0500
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
TROM
<[email protected]>
TROM is on the Internet, already, NOW!!!!!
And that's only the first miracle of
your day!!t:
http://traxxxnceform.org/trom
It is in 8 files for the whole manual, plus 1 file for Judith's
steps
summary.
If anyone wants to mirror the site so they can make improvements, they
are
welcome. If someone wants to handle email re TROM, I could do a mail
redirection to them. If there is some other document that must be
there,
email it to me.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Trancexforming....shaman
http://trancxxxeform.org email: [email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
Subject:
Re: TROM on the NET now!!
Date:
Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:26:20
+1100
From:
"RVH"
<[email protected]>
To:
"TROM-L"
<[email protected]>, "Rowland Barkley"
<[email protected]>
TROM is on the Internet, already, NOW!!!!!
And that's only the first miracle of
your day!!t:
http://tranxxxceform.org/trom
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Trancefoxrming....shaman
http://trancexxxform.org email: [email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
Dear Rowland,
Great work in getting this up and running so fast in HTML. I look forward
to
the word spreading FAST.
Ron Van Haarlem
Subject:
Re: Formatting (fwd)
Date:
Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:40:01
-0500 (EST)
From:
"Homer W. Smith"
<[email protected]>
To:
Trom-L List
<[email protected]>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:29:19 +1000
From: Judith Anderson <[email protected]>
To: "Homer W. Smith" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Formatting
Dear One and All, I am happy to take your advice. Judith
OK, Folks, please *IMMEDIATELY* take off the line about
putting TROM-L into the public domain.
Thanks Homer
At 01:47 PM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> OK, will do.
>
> Listen I have one little problem with the opening
disclaimer.
>It puts the material into the public domain. I would
prefer
>that we leave that line out for the time being. THe rest
>of the paragraph is very clear about what can or can not
>be done with the material, and in fact putting it into the
public
>domain is contradictory to the rest of the paragraph.
>
> Once its in the public domain, there is no taking
it back.
>
> I *STRONGLY* suggest we leave the full copyright
on in it
>under Stephen's name, and leave the rest of the paragraph
>about copying as it is.
>
> Please?
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Homer Wilson Smith News, Web,
Telnet Art Matrix - Lightlink
>(607) 277-0959
E-mail, FTP, Shell Internet Access, Ithaca
NY
>[email protected]
[email protected]
http://www.lightlink.com
>
>On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rowland Barkley wrote:
>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> I recevied the TROM disk today from Judith.
>>
>> I got two versions. A Rich
Text version which is unsuitable
>> for reading on the internet but does print properly from
Microsoft Word.
>> and can be downloaded by ftp etc by those with Word and a good
printer.
>>
>> The second is an improperly
formatted ascii text version with
>> one long line for paragraphs.
>>
>> I can change it to proper
formatting, but I think that many
>> of the formatted diagrams are going to be a useless mess.
>>
>> These can be fixed with a few
hours of editing work, but not
>> by me.
>>
>> I am open to suggestions on how to
proceed.
>>
>> Homer
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> Email me the RTF version, or reply with an URL where I can pick
it up, and
>> I should be able to get it to HTML in the next 24 hours.
>>
>> * * * * * *
* * * * *
>> Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Trancefoxrming....shaman
>>
http://traxxxxnceform.org email: [email protected]
>> * * * * *
* "Create your dream and step into it"
>>
>
>
Judith K.
Anderson
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Tel/Fax. 61-7-3844 7576 ~
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Subject:
TROM on Net formatted
Date:
Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:49:52
-0500
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
TROM
<[email protected]>
>>>
WHY THE HURRY.....I'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT RIGHT (even if it did take a
while)
Anxiously,
Judith
<<<
Dear Judith & others,
Your formatting corrections are done. Glad you want it to look
professional.
Please note your work formatting for Microsoft word helps little in
formatting for Internet, which is a huge job. Your Word version can also
be
posted for those ready to print it all out.
If I did not post it that day with a copyright notice, others would
be
first without such a notice. I added the copyright notice as I have
noticed in your future a high probability of you publishing a
successful
book about TROM with case histories etc.
Rowland
Subject:
Trom on Net Edited
Date:
Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:43:47
-0500
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
TROM
<[email protected]>
Editing, additions, and table formatting wanted by Judith are
completed,
so most files have a different number than before. You can download
the
complete site for viewing at leisure in Netscape, 218k, at:
http://trancexxxform.org/trom/trom.zip
or view at:
http://trancxxxeform.org/trom
Other sites that have a version without a copyright notice could be
asked
to download the version as above.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Trancefoxrming....shaman
http://tranxxxceform.org email: [email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
Subject:
Re: Trom on Net Edited
Date:
Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:30:03
-0500
From:
[email protected] (Robert
Ducharme)
To:
<[email protected]>
At 01:43 PM 12/14/97 -0500, Rowland Barkley wrote:
>Editing, additions, and table formatting wanted by Judith are
completed,
>so most files have a different number than before. You can
download the
>complete site for viewing at leisure in Netscape, 218k, at:
>
>
http://trancefoxxxrm.org/trom/trom.zip
Does this require a zip drive to download or use?
Robert
Subject:
Re: Trom on Net Edited
Date:
Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:56:50
-0800 (PST)
From:
Allen
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected] (Robert
Ducharme)
CC:
<[email protected]>
At 01:30 PM 12/14/97 -0500, Robert Ducharme wrote:
>At 01:43 PM 12/14/97 -0500, Rowland Barkley wrote:
>>Editing, additions, and table formatting wanted by Judith
are completed,
>>so most files have a different number than before. You can
download the
>>complete site for viewing at leisure in Netscape, 218k, at:
>>
>>
http://trancexxxform.org/trom/trom.zip
>
>
>Does this require a zip drive to download or use?
No.
I is a file type, not a drive type.
You need PKunzip to extract and decompress the individual files that
have
been compacted (zipped) into the.zip file. PKzip is what you search the
web
for, and download from many sites as a shareware program.
-0-
|
Allen, Speaker
-0- ASC Missions Group
[email protected]
|
http://www.asc.org
Subject:
Re: Trom on Net Edited
Date:
Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:21:25
-0500
From:
[email protected] (Robert
Ducharme)
To:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
CC:
TROM
<[email protected]>
At 12:53 AM 12/15/97 -0500, Rowland Barkley wrote:
><<<
>
http://tranxxxceform.org/trom/trom.zip
>
>Does this require a zip drive to download or use?
>
>Robert
><<<
>
>Needs shareware program PKunzip, or Winzip. I can post it as a
ZIP.EXE
>file, meaning you would download it, and in Windows 95, click on
TROM.EXE,
>and it would expand into the files making it's own Trom directory.
Would
>that be any easier?
>
>Rowland
>
That would be very helpful and much appreciated. I don't have zip
software
as I'm sure many others don't who only have the software that came
with
their computers when they bought it.
Thanks,
Robert
Subject:
Re: Trom on Net Edited
Date:
Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:53:19
-0500
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
Robert Ducharme
<[email protected]>
CC:
TROM
<[email protected]>
<<<
http://tranxxxceform.org/trom/trom.zip
Does this require a zip drive to download or use?
Robert
<<<
Needs shareware program PKunzip, or Winzip. I can post it as a
ZIP.EXE
file, meaning you would download it, and in Windows 95, click on
TROM.EXE,
and it would expand into the files making it's own Trom directory.
Would
that be any easier?
Rowland
Subject:
TROM
Date:
Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:45:56
+1000
From:
Judith Anderson
<[email protected]>
To:
"Microsearch"
<[email protected]>, [email protected]
Dear Des, It is a pity Dennis cannot acknowledge your enthusiasm. For
me
your letter below has made all the work that has gone into putting it on
the
net worth it, not just what I did but all the others that have been
enthused
about Dennis' work.
As you were an early visitor to the site, be sure and return to read
the
Introduction which may or may not have been there, as it gives Dennis'
story
on how he went about putting it together.
All the best. love Judith
At 10:46 AM 12/15/97 -0000, you wrote:
>Dear Judith and Dennis,
>
>
I was visitor
>10 to your site which contains the TROM
>information. As a class III auditor currently
>affiliated to the C.O.S. I was shocked and
>dismayed to see such a complete alter-is of the
>Tech.
>
>
>
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm only
>teasing, Your work as far as I can tell is
>totally brilliant and at least to me seems
>totally, capable of assisting one to achieve
>enhanced spiritual states. I'm more excited than
>Santa and the Reindeers on Xmas eve. You
>definitely a friend of Occam in my book (and of
>mine) : I see now how simple it is. Anything is
>possible wha whoooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeey, I'm
>going to go freeeeeeeeeeee. I'm so happy I'm
>giggling and crying at the same time in the
>middle of my office.
>
>The first massive step occurred at 8.27 today
>whilst reading the section 5 package. I suddenly
>released I had been operating on TO BE DEGRADED.
>MAsses moooooooooooooved, space was created and I
>shot up tone. I been running of postulates all
>morning (still am). Not bad for a grade III
>release.
>
>Thank you for the timely reminder that my mind is
>my own to do with as I will, I hereby claim that
>havingness and in exchange send you love and best
>wishes with your work.
>
>How I feel :-
>
>First, when there's nothing but a slow glowing
>dream
>That your fear seems to hide deep inside your
>mind
>All alone I have cried silent tears full of pride
>In a world made of steel, made of stone
>
>Well I hear the music, close my eyes, feel the
>rhythm
>Wrap around, take a hold of my heart
>
>What a feeling
>
>What a feeling (I am music now), bein's believin'
>(I am rhythm now)
>Pictures come alive, you can dance right through
>your life
>What a feeling (I can really have it all)
>What a feeling (Pictures come alive when I call)
>I can have it all (I can really have it all)
>Have it all (Pictures come alive when I call)
>(call, call, call, call, what a feeling) I can
>have it all
>(Bein's believin') bein's believin'
>(Take your passion, make it happen) make it
>happen
>(What a feeling) what a feeling... ( Excerpt
>from Flash Dance Lyrics)
>
>The Dark Tyranny of the freedom mills has gone
>for ever: never again.
>
>My love to you both. Des
>
>
>Des O'connor ( MIcro Search Labs )
>
>
Judith K.
Anderson
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Subject:
Re: TROM
Date:
Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:38:21
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
Randy Nicholson
<[email protected]>, [email protected]
In message <[email protected]>, Randy Nicholson
<[email protected]>
writes
>would be very interested to hear what you have. Are you doing some
specific
>type
>of drills, processes or exercises ?
Specific, yet not specific. At the moment, if I have any problem at
all
in life that I do not want, I two way comm it out with Leonard. So
the
way I work this is I observe myself quite closely and if at any time
I
do not like the way I feel, I immediately look and see why not. If I
can not get it to disappear completely, so that I feel happy about it,
I
go and speak to Leonard about it. We use a two way process to deal
with
it, simply called two way communication.
This is the most senior process of all processes and solves anything,
if
you persist with it.
All the time too, I observe my thought patterns and consciously put
in
the ones I want - according to the Rules of the Game of Life - thus
I
develop control of my own sphere of action. All this works really
well.
So I find it really valuable to monitor myself according to the tone
scale, two way comm out things I don't want, and also consciously
create
the life I want - thus establishing new patterns. I am quite
disciplined and strict with myself about this - because I want to
be.
>In the way of that Dennis left some things out and did not cover
everything.
>That
>Level two actually can not be done.
>
>I however have no problem doing level two.
>
Well, that you can do it and do it successfully is proof enough that
that particular part is fine for you. I expect you are trying the
next
level by now.
There is no need to be concerned about what Dennis left out or did
not
cover.
TROM works well for many. Anything else you need to know - if you
look
for it - you will find it, even if it is not covered in TROM. That I
can promise you.
You won't find anything that is perfect in this world, so it is
improbable that anything is going to cover everything. Lots of
people
have had excellent results with TROM - so there is certainly enough
in
there to make it work well.
The only thing that is going to cover everything you need, is the
actual
path that you chose to follow - that will be perfect for you - no
need
to be concerned about this - I can assure you it is definitely
happening. (It may sound like a riddle, but it is actually
completely
true).
As Trom is something that is mainly done solo, you have to monitor
yourself. Do a little at a time to see how it works for you. If it
goes well, you can do more. RI is wonderful for filling the vacuums
you
create and makes you feel good. Do lots of it, vary it to keep it
interesting, and try to do it along the Rules of Life - doing it
this
way tends to create good kick-back (or karma). Notice what others
say,
but find out what works for you - that is the real measuring stick
of
what you do.
Best wishes
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
TROM
Date:
Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:25:42
-0800
From:
Randy Nicholson
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Hello TROM-L
I had a nasty headache yesterday and was feeling rather massy. Now I
am
bringing this up as a comparison to another process I have used and
failed at many many times.
In the past when I have had body aches and pains I had the touch
assist
used on me and 10 times out of 10 it didn't work. Well yesterday I
decided to try something else. I heard about it on the tape I got of
Dennis Stephens from Mike Bonnycastle. .
I took the picture of the pain in my head ( if you want to call it a
picture ) and put it in front of my face. I then compared it to the
present time scene. I could not tell what it was in the incident but
it
had a lot of mass and pain.
The pain in my head did move out in front of me leaving me with a
sensation of pressure on both sides of my head at the temple areas
but
no pain.
It was like my head was in a nut cracker with a lot of pressure.....
BUT..... it didn't hurt anymore. I held the picture in front of me
and
when I let it go the headache would return. I put the pain in front
of
me again and continued to view it with the present time scene until
it
was finally gone after a minute or so.
I actually had total control of the pain and could bring it back and
forth at will. It was like it was attached to my head with a rubber
band. I would put it out in front and it would spring back. Then I
would
put it out in front again and hold it and timebreak it until it was
finally gone. The pressure went away also.
I plan on using this timebreak method in the future and thought
you
would like to know about it too. I wouldn't have brought this up
but I
would like to hear from others who will try this successfully
too.
I guess a prerequisite would be to have the ability to timebreak or
level 3 of TROM.
It would be great to see the TROM-L group talk about TROM and how
they
are using it and how it has helped them so others can benefit from
others who are using it too.
Hope everyone is doing well .
Sincerely
Randy Nicholson
Subject:
TROM
Date:
Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:15:30
+1000
From:
Judith Anderson
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Dear Randy,
Your letter has alerted me to check on the web pages which have Trom
because
if there is ONE thing that I have tried hard to ensure is that it does
NOT
have the errors you seem to have spotted.
I can't tell you how many hours I have spent going over the text to
eliminate the spelling errors, to check on abbreviations, caps where
there
should be none, proper spacing, consistent layout etc. When I sent the
disk
that reached fza, it was the one that I had fixed. I did read it over
again
on the net and corrected a few things but it should have been
right.
The printed copy I sell for $A40 is as correct as I can make it. The
copy
sold in the States would not have those corrections, but be the original
text.
What can I say.......I'll just have to double check it. I HATE it not
being
right, if that is the case.
Cheers Judith
>Hello Judith,
>
>Yes, indeed. I printed the copy found at
www.fza.org.
Unfortunately,
>it looks like someone did a hunt and replace operation on the text
to
>replace all occurrences of "pt" with "present
time" also changing such
>words as "attempt" in the process. That left me
somewhat confused
>until I figured it out.
>
>>Being on the list you should know that any technical help you
need should be
>>addressed to Judith Methven as above, but there is a huge amount
of
>>information already that is being systematically reentered on the
list each
>>week, about past experiences with running TROM.
>>
>>I hope someone else answers your questions.
>
>I suppose that I'll have to just get over all my old ideas about
>verbal tech and such? Not that I'm complaining, mind you . .
.
>
>Randy Nicholson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>As far as I know, up to the end of level five is all there
is . Make sure
>>you EP on the first four levels before running Level Five,
especially
>>level three. You are just dealing with postulates on level five
and time
>>breaking everything else that shows up. What else is there to
deal with
>>other than postulates ?
>
>Hi Randy,
>
>Good point. I'm a little rusty on theory right now. I
read just
>about every available LRH book (including the tech volumes) back
in
>the late 70s. I seem to be able to recall a good deal of it
even now.
>
>> I have had many wins with TROM level 2 myself. One of
which was the
>> clearing of the TIME consideration..I look at time differently
and
>> correctly.
>
>I've already had some wins running RI in preparation for Level
2. I
>think I can see why subjective RI is required for Level 5.
>
>Thanks. I look forward to following the discussion in this
list.
>
>Randy
>
Judith K.
Anderson
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Subject:
Re:
TROM
Date:
Sun, 18 Jan
1998 08:47:57 -0800
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
Judith
Methven <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
References:
1
Judith Methven wrote:
>
>
>
> I
have actively worked at for awhile is making ones postulates
stick
> >which has been
>
> a
pleasure.
>
> It would be nice to hear more about how you are doing this.
>
Hi
Judith,
1/18/98
I have
found the steps in the 'Rules in the Game of Life'(posted by you
before)
to be
very useful and rewarding in making postulates. I also talked to Bob
Ross
about making ones postulates work and he had reduced it to three
essential
steps:
1)Find what your postulate is, what state of affairs you desire,
and create the postulate in the present. If it is "....will
be..."
then that will not be effective because it launches it indefinitely
into the future. It it must be absolutely in the present tense,
"Things are going remarkabley well". And one must be able to
make
the postulate with the same conviction they would if they were to
observe that the sun is shining(if it is, of course).
2)Next one must identify any consideration, reservation one has
about
the postulate. They must find this fragment of doubt and
"as-was"
it, as it were, put it into past tense, such as, "I Thought I
couldn't
make it because my car was breaking down". It appears to be an
important step, this putting any consideration into PAST tense and
then, recreating your postulate in present tense once you can do
this with the same conviction as you would with any very evident
fact such as the sun shining.
3)Any negative origination you encounter after this you will
recognize
as not of your ownership. You might even say in response, "So
you feel...."(giving it back to them). If it is a billboard or
person
you recognise this thing not being yours.
So this is the method Bob Ross told me about which I find helpful also. I
make it a practice working with postulates because remarkably, they do
work
and it's fun!
Best Regards,
Michael
Subject:
Re: TROM
Date:
Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:09:40
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Michael
> I also
>talked to Bob
>
Ross about making ones postulates work and he had reduced it to
>three essential
>
steps:
>
(Snip)
Thanks for sending this - most interesting. It is great to hear of
your
good progress and thanks for sharing it with us.
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Re: TROM
Date:
Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:37:45 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]> reports to me,
as
trom-l list adminstrator, that the following message could not be
delivered to (about) 57 list members (which is nearly the whole list.
I
dont remember getting it.
So here it is (again?).
Subject:
Re: TROM
Date:
Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:50:33
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected],
[email protected]
Michael
> I
have actively worked at for awhile is making ones postulates
stick
>which has been
> a
pleasure.
It would be nice to hear more about how you are doing this.
>I find it interesting in that the postulate failure cycle chart,
for
>
me, serves as a set of drills as one flattens their case more
and
>more.
>
Interesting.
Best wishes
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Re: TROM
Date:
Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:50:03
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
In message <[email protected]>, Randy Nicholson
<[email protected]>
writes
Dear Randy
>
>One other thing, can you give me Leonard's email address so I
can
>contact him re:TROM questions?
>
Unfortunately he is not on the internet - doesn't even have a
computer.
I can relay any questions you want to ask him, to him, and the
replies
back to you - or you can write to him via ordinary mail (ask me for
the
address if you want it).
He has not actually done TROM himself, although he understands it
well.
He came to study it so closely because I work with him so closely, and
I
was doing it! He wanted to know what I was doing, and the effect it
would have.
>The other thing I failed to mention in my last letter was the
page
>number that Dennis is explaining his progress with level five
himself.
>Its on the internet version page 3 of 4 called SPOTTING THE
TRUTH.
>
I will probably have a look on the internet sometime. May I be so
bold
as to say that those lines are not important.
Even in the body of TROM there is a debatable point. He states that
one
achieves Nirvana by doing TROM. Well that maybe - but Nirvana is
different things to different people. I have heard people disagree
with
that statement, for myself it is irrelevant. TROM worked well for me
and I'm really glad I've done it, and have it at my fingertips.
You see the key to our troubles does indeed seem to me to be to do
with
overwhelm. (Level 5) Overwhelm that we have allowed to happen to us
for
some reason. (Usually to make amends for something we have done to
another - so we get back what we have put out. This can take subtle
and
unusual forms and only you can discover your own case here - usually
one
did this thing because one thought it was 'right' - when looking
back
you can usually see that it did not fit in with the Laws of Life -
its
that simple!
It doesn't matter that you didn't realise at the time. One does not
escape consequences because of ignorance. Indeed, one is at effect
from
one's own causes so that one can discover these universal laws. Its
an
interesting game - isn't it!
Others are only terminals - all the actual problems lie within
ourselves. Of this I am sure.
The reason appears to me to be discovered by looking at our own
attitudes, feelings, and problems.
>From the auditing I have done recently I can truly see how cause
and
effect work. Any cause that you put out, you have to be prepared to
be
at effect from, because inevitably, at some stage, somewhere, you
will.
This seems to be the most basic law of life and contains many
valuable
lessons to do with responsibility.
So, don't do to another what you would not be prepared to have done
to
yourself under similar circumstances.
As one irons out one's problems and thus comes to deeper
understandings,
so one more and more realises the beauty, depth and truth of this
statement. It has many facets that you become more aware of as you
understand it more and more. As you come to understand it and work
it,
so life becomes more and more magical and wonderful. This I can
vouch
for.
Best wishes
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Trom on net
Date:
Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:45:23 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
A corresondent wrote the following to me. Any comments?
PASTE
About the postings. The news that TROM is in its entirety put to the
public
domain (see http://fza.org/trom/index.phtml) causes a rather mixed
feeling.
>From one side more people may now read it. Good. But what one gets
for free
one regards as almost nothing and useless. So there'll be very few
who'll
read more than first 10 pages. And only few of them will try to apply
it.
And only few of the latter will spend some time on this. And almost no
one
will proceed as far as Level 5.
This is a well-known thing in auditing. When a pc begins to consider that
he
receives more than gives back to the auditor, he feels bad about it
whether
he realizes it or not. And refuses to produce any further betterment.
So
from this point of view free auditing or free technical materials may
work
for some time but then one finds the case well stuck. So someone may
say
that it's almost a crime to distribute free technical materials, for
they
may serve only for deprivation a pc of any significant betterment.
TROM is somewhat different for it's mainly a solo 'bridge' and
doesn't
require an auditor. But the main issue is the same: when one gets it
for
free, he may talk about it much and freely; one _must_ give something
in
return for the technology to _apply_ it freely. So one feels
completely
different about it when one pays at least $40 for it as it was up to
the
present time.
END PASTE
--
Ant
Antony A Phillips
[email protected]
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy)
Subject:
Re: Trom on net
Date:
Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:23:23
-0500 (EST)
From:
"Homer W. Smith"
<[email protected]>
To:
Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Paul should have removed the public domain
stuff.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homer Wilson Smith News, Web,
Telnet Art Matrix - Lightlink
(607) 277-0959 E-mail, FTP,
Shell Internet Access, Ithaca NY
[email protected] [email protected]
http://www.lightlink.com
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Antony Phillips wrote:
> A corresondent wrote the following to me. Any comments?
>
> PASTE
> About the postings. The news that TROM is in its entirety put to the
> public
> domain (see http://fza.org/trom/index.phtml) causes a rather mixed
> feeling.
> >From one side more people may now read it. Good. But what one
gets for > free
> one regards as almost nothing and useless. So there'll be very
few
> who'll
> read more than first 10 pages. And only few of them will try to
apply
> it.
> And only few of the latter will spend some time on this. And almost
no
> one
> will proceed as far as Level 5.
> This is a well-known thing in auditing. When a pc begins to
consider
> that he
> receives more than gives back to the auditor, he feels bad about
it
> whether
> he realizes it or not. And refuses to produce any further
betterment. So
> from this point of view free auditing or free technical materials
may
> work
> for some time but then one finds the case well stuck. So someone may
say
> that it's almost a crime to distribute free technical materials,
for
> they
> may serve only for deprivation a pc of any significant
betterment.
> TROM is somewhat different for it's mainly a solo 'bridge' and
doesn't
> require an auditor. But the main issue is the same: when one gets it
for
> free, he may talk about it much and freely; one _must_ give
something in
> return for the technology to _apply_ it freely. So one feels
completely
> different about it when one pays at least $40 for it as it was up to
the
> present time.
> END PASTE
> --
>
Ant
Antony A Phillips
> [email protected]
>
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
>
Box 78
>
DK - 2800 Lyngby
> Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy)
>
>
Subject:
Re: Trom on net
Date:
16 Dec 1997 10:01:43
-0800
From:
John V LuValle
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected] (IPM Return
requested)
A corresondent wrote the following to me. Any comments?
YES
PASTE
>About the postings. The news that TROM is in its entirety put to the
>public
>domain (see http://fza.org/trom/index.phtml) causes a rather mixed
>feeling.
To echo Homer, it should not have included the public domain
line.
>>From one side more people may now read it. Good. But what one
gets for
>free
>one regards as almost nothing and useless.
This is a serfac left over from the co$, imho. It's not true.
>So there'll be very few who'll
>read more than first 10 pages. And only few of them will try to apply
>it.
>And only few of the latter will spend some time on this. And almost
no
>one
>will proceed as far as Level 5.
>This is a well-known thing in auditing. When a pc begins to consider
>that he
>receives more than gives back to the auditor, he feels bad about it
>whether
>he realizes it or not.
There is an issue when one is receiving auditing from another, but
it's
much more being "at effect" than actually an exchange issue.
This is
not the case when one is working with material on one's own.
>And refuses to produce any further betterment. So from this point of
>>
>for some time but then one finds the case well stuck. So someone may
>say that it's almost a crime to distribute free technical materials,
>for they
>may serve only for deprivation a pc of any significant betterment.
If the individual doesn't want the potential benefits of the applied
materials, they will not pursue them. What working with 'free'
materials doesn't give you is status/admiration (as in the peer group
of people in the church of scientology). Paying money for 'spiritual
betterment' is problematic and in my opinion doesn't work well, you
still have to do the work. To the extent that there is no peer
validation of the activity or 'achievement' one is better off as you
are really doing the activity for the gains involved for yourself,
not as a status ladder climbing activity.
>TROM is somewhat different for it's mainly a solo 'bridge' and
>doesn't
>require an auditor. But the main issue is the same: when one gets it
for
>free, he may talk about it much and freely; one _must_ give something
in
>return for the technology to _apply_ it freely. So one feels
completely
>different about it when one pays at least $40 for it as it was up to
the
>present time.
We will see which perspective is correct over the next several years,
there's no need to argue the issue as we have a demonstration
experiment
in action.
Regards, John
END PASTE
--
Ant
Antony A Phillips
[email protected]
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy)
Subject:
Re: Trom on net
Date:
Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:48:04
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
In message <[email protected]>, Antony Phillips
<[email protected]> writes
>A corresondent wrote the following to me. Any comments?
>
>PASTE
>About the postings. The news that TROM is in its entirety put to
the
>public
>domain (see http://fza.org/trom/index.phtml) causes a rather
mixed
>feeling.
(Snip)
That is only one opinion, one way of thinking of it. Quite frankly,
I
have another opinion and think its great that TROM has been put on
Internet. Undoubtedly many more people will find it, and many will
use
it.
Some may take little notice of it, but others will take lots of
notice
of it.
Personally, the greatest gifts I have had have not been purchased
with
money.
Best wishes
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Trom on internet
Date:
Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:15:34
-0500
From:
[email protected] (William T
Fenton)
To:
[email protected]
To: Judith Anderson and all of you who helped.
From: Bill Fenton
What a beautiful accomplishment by so many of you working together to
put
TROM on the internet - Very professional.
A great big thankyou to all.
This is a very worthwhile and a very unselfish gift to mankind. I
feel
that Dennis would be grateful to all of you.
Love Bill
Subject:
Re: Trom on internet
Date:
Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:52:06
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
William T Fenton
<[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
In message <[email protected]>, William T
Fenton
<[email protected]> writes
>To: Judith Anderson and all of you who helped.
>From: Bill Fenton
>
>What a beautiful accomplishment by so many of you working together to
put
>TROM on the internet - Very professional.
>
>A great big thankyou to all.
>
>This is a very worthwhile and a very unselfish gift to
mankind.
> Love Bill
I agree.
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Exchange
Date:
Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:06:23
-0500 (EST)
From:
"Dustin W. Carr"
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Hello trom-l,
I have some comments about the issue of exchange that was brought up in
a
recent mailing.
TROM will only yield what is put into it by the user. You will not find
a
clearer type of exchange. It will take time, intention, and willpower
to
make it through the early levels of TROM. It will require a being to
take
responsibility for his existence.
Material things are transient, insignificant unto themselves. Most
people
that are reaching for TROM should already understand this. Many
others
will not pass the first test.
If someone has given you a consideration (such as the idea that you have
to
pay dearly with money to feel good about what you have received)
think
about how this benefits you, and how it benefits the person(s) who gave
you
this consideration.
Happy holidays,
Dustin
Dustin W.
Carr
607-255-2329
Electron Beam Lithography
Engineer
[email protected]
Cornell Nanofabrication Facility
Knight Laboratory
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
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