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Subject:
TROM: Replay B47
Date:
Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:17:21 +0100
From:
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Subject:
new to list
Date:
Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:01:25 -0500
From:
Marc Power <[email protected]>
Organization:
B0RNtoG0
To:
trom-l <[email protected]>
Greetings all,
I was one of the original alt.clearing.technology posters
many aeons ago (or so it seems) and recently have been
'getting back into this stuff' and noticed that TROM was
now available on the web, so I am joining the list to get
a better understanding of it.
Cheers!
Marc.
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Subject:
Re: new to list
Date:
Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:19:21
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
Marc Power
<[email protected]>
CC:
trom-l
<[email protected]>
Greetings Marc, and welcome
I think Antony is at present sending out some of the posts that were
on
trom-l some years ago, for information.
There tends not to be a lot of comment on the list at present, but
we
respond to questions.
So don't think there is no-one here.
Best wishes
Judith
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Subject:
level 5 progress
Date:
Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:34:27
-0800
From:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Hello,
1/13/98
Recently I went to see Bob Ross, the long time Scn auditer and now for
some time
FZ. As my Trom
had been going wonderfully for some seven months I did not have any
real outness or
PTP, it was just something I wanted to do as I have had really
no 'other
practioner' auditing. We went through some goals, did some
Start-Change-Stop,
and other things.
When we ended some 3-4 hours later I felt more aware and keyed out.
I told Bob I had
been doing TROM with great results and he said he had read through
it
and thought the
only thing I might try is putting in flow 0 and flow 3 (self to self
and
others to others)
on level 5. He said it probably wouldn't take very long and I
honestly
didn't regard it
very seriously. Nevertheless, when I thought of it next time on
level
5 I just went
through the two flows as part of the flattening of each level. And it
helped! The
charge may have been handled anyway but I found I got even more from
the
chart-level that
way and it was so simple. I would not advocate deviating in any
way from what
Dennis Stephens says because 'listening' to him has been my real
stable datum
throughout Trom but I did this simple thing and it helped me. That
aside,
the gains from
level 5 have, of late gone beyond what I imagined. And for me, the
one
approach I have
had toward TROM which has paid off in spades is, just keep going,
just
keep doing it
daily no matter what and read through the theory
now again.
Best
Regards,
Michael
Bonnycastle
Subject:
Re: level 5 progress
Date:
Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:42:20
+1000
From:
Judith Anderson
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Dear Michael, Well done on your auditing. I hope it inspires others to
do
the same.
Judith A.
At 09:34 AM 1/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello,
1/13/98
>
>
Recently I went to see Bob Ross, the long time Scn auditer and
now for some time
>
FZ. As my Trom had been going wonderfully for some seven
months
I did not have any
> real
outness or PTP, it was just something I wanted to do as I
have had really
> no
'other practioner' auditing. We went through some goals, did
some Start-Change-Stop,
> and
other things. When we ended some 3-4 hours later I felt
more aware and keyed out.
> I told
Bob I had been doing TROM with great results and he said
he had read through it
> and
thought the only thing I might try is putting in flow 0 and
flow 3(self to self and
> others
to others)on level 5. He said it probably wouldn't take
very long and I honestly
> didn't
regard it very seriously. Nevertheless, when I thought
of it next time on level
> 5 I just
went through the two flows as part of the flattening of
each level. And it
>
helped! The charge may have been handled anyway but I found I
got even more from the
>
chart-level that way and it was so simple. I would not
advocate
deviating in any
> way from
what Dennis Stephens says because 'listening' to him
has been my real
> stable
datum throughout Trom but I did this simple thing and it
helped me. That aside,
> the
gains from level 5 have, of late gone beyond what I
imagined. And for me, the one
> approach
I have had toward TROM which has paid off in spades is,
just keep going, just
> keep
doing it daily no matter what and read through the theory
now again.
>
>
Best Regards,
>
>
Michael Bonnycastle
>
>
Judith K.
Anderson
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Subject:
Re: level 5 progress
Date:
Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:00:48
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Hello Michael
>
Recently I went to see Bob Ross, the long time Scn auditer and now
>for some time
> FZ.
(Snip)
Most interesting post - thanks Michael.
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Re: level 5 progress
Date:
Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:04:55
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Michael
> I told
Bob I had been doing TROM with great results and he said
he
>had read through it
> and
thought the only thing I might try is putting in flow 0 and
flow
>3(self to self and
> others
to others)on level 5. He said it probably wouldn't take
very
>long and I honestly
> didn't
regard it very seriously. Nevertheless, when I thought
of it
>next time on level
> 5 I just
went through the two flows as part of the flattening
of each
>level. And it
>
helped! The charge may have been handled anyway but I found I
got
>even more from the
>
chart-level that way and it was so simple.
That was interesting. I've found I have made the greatest gains in
the
area of 'self to self' - the most stable and long lasting too!
It makes me think that the most important games are those that we
play
with ourselves.
All games are based on the considerations we have given ourselves,
or
agreed to accept from others (which amounts to the same thing)!
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Re:level 5 progress
Date:
Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:24:21
-0800
From:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
> "all games are based on the considerations we have given
ourselves, or
agreed to accept from others (which amounts to the same
thing)!"
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Hi Judith,
1/16 98
Yes, quite so. The thing that I am gaining real certainty on in Trom
of
late is that in life we
are surrounded by 'significances'(everything) and it is
only through our own
considerations that these significances are granted
importance, conviction.
Whether we are aware of or accept it, we are responsible
for all of the
'importance' these things have. But yes, the self-to-self
is ver effective for me
also, a very useful bit that has turned out to be!
Best Regards,
Mike
Subject:
Progress!
Date:
Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:44:45
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Just for information, I thought I would mention some auditing I have
been doing between September and December.
It was heavy going, to say the least, and was done with the aid of
an
auditor. He tells me I've probably cleared the most basic incident
on
the track.
Of course, it was to do with terrific overwhelm - and the end
realisation was a simple knowing that whatever you cause, be prepared
to
be at effect from under similar circumstances.
Ignorance of this fact does not enable you to avoid the consequences
of
your actions.
Indeed, perhaps one of the reasons for our lives is to realise this
law
fully.
I am surprised at the many myriad changes that are occurring in my
life.
So many small and bigger situations are dealt with differently -
there
is much more confidence - certainty - its amazing and wonderful. In
all
sorts of little ways I notice I can have things I could not have
before
- I can face them without flinching and can actually choose the way
I
want to go without getting hot under the collar.
So far so good - the condition is holding. One of the best parts is
that I seem to be getting quite good at pinpointing any unease and
restoring harmony. That to me, is a wonderful ability to cultivate,
and
so therefore I am doing so!
After working so hard for so long, I at last feel I can rest a while.
This verse captures something of my feeling:
Near the middle of the day, when clouds are thin and breeze soft,
I stroll beside the river, passing the willows and the trees in
bloom.
People of the day do not understand my joy;
They say that I am loafing like an idle young man.
(So you don't let on to the other's too much about how you're
feeling!)
To be honest, I don't think I could have jumped this last hurdle
without
the guidance and support of the auditor(s) (several people played a
part). Trom is wonderful, but always use whatever works best for you
at
the time. If you look for a way, you will find one - just keep an
open
mind - you never know where the way will appear.
Best wishes
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
postulates and R.I.
Date:
Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:22:36
-0800
From:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Hi
Judith,
1/19/98
In past posts you have mentioned, I think, that in running R.I. you
will often create real postulates for yourself. This is a very
interesting idea/technique. Would you mind talking a little about
this and it's effectiveness for you?
Best Regards,
Michael Bonnycastle
Subject:
Re: postulates and R.I.
Date:
Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:22:08
+0000
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
Hi Michael
In message <[email protected]>, "MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]> writes
>
In past posts you have mentioned, I think, that in running
R.I.
>you
>
will often create real postulates for yourself. This is a
very
>
interesting idea/technique. Would you mind talking a little
>about
>
this and it's effectiveness for you?
I can't exactly remember in what context I have stated this. If you
don't mind giving me back quotes of my own words, I would be pleased
to
comment.
Maybe it was the acknowledgement of real successes that complied
with
the postulates. When you acknowledge the successes it builds up the
realness, the solidness, of the postulate.
With regard to the three postulates you posted from Bob Ross - I
found
the second of particular interest. It initiated a most interesting
discussion with Leonard Dunn.
The long and the short of this was that whenever I was around a
certain
person, I found I could not make my postulates stick (for myself)
and
just generally was not my normal (happy) self. Nothing worked as it
normally did. This was a puzzle to me because I couldn't find any
reason for it.
I have realised that what was actually happening was that when in
their
presence, I tended to unknowingly duplicate their tone level. No
wonder
things didn't work too well! Now that I've realised this, I
understand
what is going on and can differentiate better between myself and the
other. This has made a huge difference to me.
Personally, I have found that a lot of my unwanted postulates were
ones
that I had adopted from others who had told me something about
myself
that I had believed, but that was not actually true. I have now
found
the reason why I did this.
However, old habits die hard. Realising what has happened is one
thing,
changing the way things now happen is another and takes a little
vigilance, and perception. I find I get similar circumstances
presented
and I need to be aware and put into action the new found abilities
to
deal with it differently - in a way that you don't get hot under the
collar.
After a few of these incidents being deal with in a neutral manner,
the
certain type of circumstances tend not to reoccur. I like to say that
I
have changed my pattern - in other words, since there is probably
nothing much to learn from these situations, they don't reoccur.
This
is another way of adding to the realness of ones postulates - again
from
noticing one's new patterns and understanding that they ARE
happening.
These understandings have made me much more aware of what I accept
from
others, and to question more closely things that I don't like, but
that
I have and can't seem to get rid of - much of my growth here has been
in
the area of understanding the importance of discernment, or
perception.
I think perhaps that discernment may be an underated, but very
important, ability.
Judith
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Re:
postulates and R.I.
Date:
Wed, 21 Jan
1998 11:23:51 -0800
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
Judith
Methven <[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
References:
1
Judith Methven wrote:
(snip)
> These understandings have made me much more aware of what I accept
from
> others, and to question more closely things that I don't like, but
that
> I have and can't seem to get rid of - much of my growth here has
been in
> the area of understanding the importance of discernment, or
perception.
>
> I think perhaps that discernment may be an underated, but very
> important, ability.
>
> Judith
>
> --
> Judith Methven
1/21/98
Very interesting Judith, thank you for sharing that.
best regards,
Michael
Subject:
level 3
Date:
Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:51:06
-0800
From:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Hi
Randy,
1/20/98
O.K., I'll get that(tape) sent off to you. What you are doing
at level three is very interesting(mastering the consideratioon of
time). I like the way you are not in a 'hurry' about the whole
thing. I feel it is a more ambitious approach then when I ran
level
three and no doubt the rewards will be great. When I did level 3
I ran it until I felt certainty that the level was producing no
more change and had become ho-hum. It seems you are using it
as a drill also which is an idea I find appealing. For me, one
of the best things about Trom is the more I put into it, the
more I get back from it. I look forward to hearing more of your
progress.
Best Regards,
Michael Bonnycastle
p.s. Do you subscribe to [email protected]? I find it helpful as
it
provides something of a forum for us tromsters. I find it helps
remedy
that awful scarcity Dennis mentions about not having others to talk to
about Trom related things.
Subject:
[Fwd: website]
Date:
Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:50:04 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected], [email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
For info, Nick participated in the design of Ability meters, and has
his
own new meter.
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Ant
Antony A Phillips
[email protected]
tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
Box 78
DK - 2800 Lyngby
Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page:
http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/
Subject:
website
Date:
Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:21:16
GMT
From:
[email protected] (Nic Ford)
To:
Antony Phillips
<[email protected]>
Dear Antony,
Its rather basic but its there - my website.
http://www.mindwalker.co.uk [This link is
still live in 2016]
Also from now on please use [email protected] as my email
address.
Broadcast this information to the universe!
Regards, Nic
Nic Ford
The Computer Film Company
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