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Hi,
Re. TROM L5 vss. LRH's GPM handling:
There is much differences plus a few similarities technically.
Running GPMs according Hubbard's tech. requires excellent
metering plus excellent guess-work on the auditor's part in order
to arrange a valid line-plot. Not necessarily good preconditions
for a newby ;-)
Comparably the inherent logic of the Postulate Failure Cycle Chart
(PFCC) appears like the beauty and precision of a swiss clockwork
compared to a cuckoo clock.
One would not intermix parts of each other.
The question how one would run GPMs in TROM is similar sensible as a
book-one auditor asking: "How would you run an Engram with NED".
The higher level tech. does it all.
Re. Demanding to "Lower the Gradient" (of course for the good of
future readers - how ironic, to say the least):
Seemingly the purposes and application of "Gradient Scales" are
grossly misunderstood.
Let's say someone is unable to understand the beauty of the fresco
at the Sistine Chapel and therefore - in order to lower the gradient -
demands that it may be painted over e.g. in manga-style.
Or someone trying to understand formulas describing Einsteins theories
in higher calculus demanding to rewrite the work in terms of elementary
school mathematics - which, of course, renders it's usability more or
less worthless.
In society it is - unfortunately - common to lower gradients in order to
establish compatibility with the lowest grade of ability and intelligence
available.
Just another great example for the often cited "Dwindling Downward Spiral".
The correct handling is exactly the other way around:
Use the Gradient Scale to bring the newbie's up to a sufficient
level of understanding so that he gains the ability to assimilate the
material,
be it art, technology, life, ...
You see the paradox?
You see that this has nothing to do with be, do or have or whatsoever? But
has
to do with regaining the ability _to know_ (which is not the digestion of
data by
rote, but manifests automatically in application, which in turn establishes
a doingness).
Re. Wanting it all predigested and served on the silver plate ...
because the state of "newby" establishes a right to such a request.
Well, this is just another of those aberrations in our socialistic
societies. It is so deep seated in many people that they get extremely
upset when one would require them to be cause or exert their right to
free will. They rather prefer to occupy the viewpoint of effect, for
convenience sake, not at all realizing that this is the straight highway to
slavery. This is the funny part of it. Less funny is it when those
individuals, more or less covertly, try to attack others or the works
of others who are not in agreement with the good-meaning wish for: "An
affect
viewpoint for anyone!".
Interesting enough, that those same people are always good for tips and
advices when it comes to work that has to be done by others, by reason
of: "I'm a newby, can not do it, you do it for me".
Re. Source materials and their protection:
We've seen that happening times after times. E.g. the main spiritual
works of Christianity, known as the Bible. Originally it was a much larger
work. Most of it got lost, was altered, rewritten, perverted one way or
other.
Of course all for the sake of lowering the gradient in order to make it
accessible for even the most silly. How noble.
Same just happens right now with the books of LRH. It starts small scale
with correcting punctuation marks and ends with ...?
It is of course perfectly legitimate if someone writes a (critical) essay
_about_ a certain piece of source material. Or an extension in a separate
volume unequivocal marked as something which has a new source which is
responsible for the work and who therefore owns the (c)-right for that.
Otherwise future generations will inevitably loose sight of the real
sources.
All of this is not germane to the question if the sources or their works
are correct or they were right or wrong. It is not the appropriate handling
for any errors or wrongnesses in the materials, to make any changes.
(B.t.w. it is an impossibility that whatever material was originated from
humans
is perfectly error free. This would violate "LOGIC 6: ABSOLUTES ARE
UNOBTAINABLE".)
I'm glad that Pete made a clear statement in that regard with the TROM
materials.
Dennis' work seems to be in good good hands so far.
Re. Being a Newby:
All of us once had been, one way or other, beginners in various fields.
The steepnesses of learning curves are so many as individuals existed and
will exist. It requires some work - not necessarily hard work, because it's
interesting and fun - but work paired with persistence (might be more than
just
one lifetime) - in order to come up to a level of awareness and personal
development which allows the individual to successfully tackle his problems
in life. This alone is a great step toward freedom because one no longer
depends on the immediate help of others. This attainment is not for free.
It required me many hours of study, processing and money. But I can tell
that
it was/is worth every single minute and Euro I've spent.
You might need a competent auditor to get started. You might need 40+ hours
of "Reach & Withdraw" on books, the Student Hat course, or whatever. But
do not
expect that someone rewrites any materials for you in order to meet your
"gradient"
and then make a rewrite for the next David, ... that could go on ad
infinitum.
It would not benefit you at all.
Regards
Robin
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Pete,
the reason I asked you to add be do have to the junior goals package was
not so much for the people on the list, but for future users of the
process.
It is unlikely that anyone would ever figure that out.
And it is of primary importance.
It is a huge step in processing.
More than half a case could be processed on be do have.
It is actually much higher than a junior goals package.
It is extremely necessary to add it to the book.
David
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you are not seeing TROM from a newbie's point of view.
David
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What is important to resolve a case is whatever is important to the
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Prevented from knowing, therefore can't know.
Prevented from postulating, therefore can't postulate
Prevented from being, therefore can't be.
Prevented from doing, therefore can't do
Prevented from having, therefore can't have,
Are dominant for me in that sequence, and I am sure for many others,
if not everyone,
at least to some degree.
You should explain them and add them to the junior goals list, as
editor's edits or additions.
David
PS: You did make some significant improvements in :
http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf
but more has to be done.
I know it is hard work, and you can only articulate so much at one
time.
You need to take a break for a couple of yrs and then take another run
at
it.
The gradient has to be lowered.
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Is this David, David Pelly?
I am curious.
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the reason I asked you to add be do have to the junior goals package
was not so much for the people on the list, but for future users of
the process.
It is unlikely that anyone would ever figure that out.
And it is of primary importance.
It is a huge step in processing.
More than half a case could be processed on be do have.
It is actually much higher than a junior goals package.
It is extremely necessary to add it to the book.
David
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you are not seeing TROM from a newbie's point of view.
David
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What is important to resolve a case is whatever is important
to the individual. It is best to leave TROM as it is and
discuss individual cases here on the email list.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Pete,
Prevented from knowing, therefore can't know.
Prevented from postulating, therefore can't postulate
Prevented from being, therefore can't be.
Prevented from doing, therefore can't do
Prevented from having, therefore can't have,
Are dominant for me in that sequence, and I am sure for
many others, if not everyone,
at least to some degree.
You should explain them and add them to the junior goals
list, as editor's edits or additions.
David
PS: You did make some significant improvements in :
http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf
<http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf>
but more has to be done.
I know it is hard work, and you can only articulate so much
at one time.
You need to take a break for a couple of yrs and then take
another run at it.
The gradient has to be lowered.
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David
The editing I did to the TROM books was only to delete sentence
fragments, fix run on sentences add a table of contents, index and
glossary.
I did not rewrite or create new processes. That was all done by Dennis.
I am not going to add any new material to the TROM books. They are what
Dennis created and will stay that way.
If you see a compelling need to create some new processes for TROM then
you are welcome to write them up yourself and publish them.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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the reason I asked you to add be do have to the junior goals package
was not so much for the people on the list, but for future users of the
process.
It is unlikely that anyone would ever figure that out.
And it is of primary importance.
It is a huge step in processing.
More than half a case could be processed on be do have.
It is actually much higher than a junior goals package.
It is extremely necessary to add it to the book.
David
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Pete,
you are not seeing TROM from a newbie's point of view.
David
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What is important to resolve a case is whatever is important to the
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Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Pete,
Prevented from knowing, therefore can't know.
Prevented from postulating, therefore can't postulate
Prevented from being, therefore can't be.
Prevented from doing, therefore can't do
Prevented from having, therefore can't have,
Are dominant for me in that sequence, and I am sure for many
others, if not everyone,
at least to some degree.
You should explain them and add them to the junior goals list, as
editor's edits or additions.
David
PS: You did make some significant improvements in :
http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf
but more has to be done.
I know it is hard work, and you can only articulate so much at one
time.
You need to take a break for a couple of yrs and then take another
run at it.
The gradient has to be lowered.
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