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Hi david, dont forget the other half of prevented, but forced too.
Forced to be, do and have. And forced to postulate. :) On Sunday, 11 September 2016, The Resolution of Mind list < [email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi, > > Re. TROM L5 vss. LRH's GPM handling: > > There is much differences plus a few similarities technically. > Running GPMs according Hubbard's tech. requires excellent > metering plus excellent guess-work on the auditor's part in order > to arrange a valid line-plot. Not necessarily good preconditions > for a newby ;-) > Comparably the inherent logic of the Postulate Failure Cycle Chart > (PFCC) appears like the beauty and precision of a swiss clockwork > compared to a cuckoo clock. > One would not intermix parts of each other. > The question how one would run GPMs in TROM is similar sensible as a > book-one auditor asking: "How would you run an Engram with NED". > The higher level tech. does it all. > > Re. Demanding to "Lower the Gradient" (of course for the good of > future readers - how ironic, to say the least): > > Seemingly the purposes and application of "Gradient Scales" are > grossly misunderstood. > Let's say someone is unable to understand the beauty of the fresco > at the Sistine Chapel and therefore - in order to lower the gradient - > demands that it may be painted over e.g. in manga-style. > Or someone trying to understand formulas describing Einsteins theories > in higher calculus demanding to rewrite the work in terms of elementary > school mathematics - which, of course, renders it's usability more or > less worthless. > > In society it is - unfortunately - common to lower gradients in order to > establish compatibility with the lowest grade of ability and intelligence > available. > Just another great example for the often cited "Dwindling Downward Spiral". > > The correct handling is exactly the other way around: > Use the Gradient Scale to bring the newbie's up to a sufficient > level of understanding so that he gains the ability to assimilate the > material, > be it art, technology, life, ... > You see the paradox? > > You see that this has nothing to do with be, do or have or whatsoever? But > has > to do with regaining the ability _to know_ (which is not the digestion of > data by > rote, but manifests automatically in application, which in turn establishes > a doingness). > > Re. Wanting it all predigested and served on the silver plate ... > > because the state of "newby" establishes a right to such a request. > Well, this is just another of those aberrations in our socialistic > societies. It is so deep seated in many people that they get extremely > upset when one would require them to be cause or exert their right to > free will. They rather prefer to occupy the viewpoint of effect, for > convenience sake, not at all realizing that this is the straight highway to > slavery. This is the funny part of it. Less funny is it when those > individuals, more or less covertly, try to attack others or the works > of others who are not in agreement with the good-meaning wish for: "An > affect > viewpoint for anyone!". > > Interesting enough, that those same people are always good for tips and > advices when it comes to work that has to be done by others, by reason > of: "I'm a newby, can not do it, you do it for me". > > Re. Source materials and their protection: > > We've seen that happening times after times. E.g. the main spiritual > works of Christianity, known as the Bible. Originally it was a much larger > work. Most of it got lost, was altered, rewritten, perverted one way or > other. > Of course all for the sake of lowering the gradient in order to make it > accessible for even the most silly. How noble. > > Same just happens right now with the books of LRH. It starts small scale > with correcting punctuation marks and ends with ...? > > It is of course perfectly legitimate if someone writes a (critical) essay > _about_ a certain piece of source material. Or an extension in a separate > volume unequivocal marked as something which has a new source which is > responsible for the work and who therefore owns the (c)-right for that. > Otherwise future generations will inevitably loose sight of the real > sources. > > All of this is not germane to the question if the sources or their works > are correct or they were right or wrong. It is not the appropriate handling > for any errors or wrongnesses in the materials, to make any changes. > (B.t.w. it is an impossibility that whatever material was originated from > humans > is perfectly error free. This would violate "LOGIC 6: ABSOLUTES ARE > UNOBTAINABLE".) > > I'm glad that Pete made a clear statement in that regard with the TROM > materials. > Dennis' work seems to be in good good hands so far. > > Re. Being a Newby: > > All of us once had been, one way or other, beginners in various fields. > The steepnesses of learning curves are so many as individuals existed and > will exist. It requires some work - not necessarily hard work, because it's > interesting and fun - but work paired with persistence (might be more than > just > one lifetime) - in order to come up to a level of awareness and personal > development which allows the individual to successfully tackle his problems > in life. This alone is a great step toward freedom because one no longer > depends on the immediate help of others. This attainment is not for free. > It required me many hours of study, processing and money. But I can tell > that > it was/is worth every single minute and Euro I've spent. > > You might need a competent auditor to get started. You might need 40+ hours > of "Reach & Withdraw" on books, the Student Hat course, or whatever. But > do not > expect that someone rewrites any materials for you in order to meet your > "gradient" > and then make a rewrite for the next David, ... that could go on ad > infinitum. > It would not benefit you at all. > > Regards > Robin > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:08:21 +0200, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Send TROM mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Be do have///// PS (The Resolution of Mind list) >> 2. Re: Be do have///// PS (The Resolution of Mind list) >> 3. Re: Be do have///// PS (The Resolution of Mind list) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:37:55 -0400 >> From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Be do have///// PS >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Pete, >> >> the reason I asked you to add be do have to the junior goals package was >> not so much for the people on the list, but for future users of the >> process. >> >> It is unlikely that anyone would ever figure that out. >> >> And it is of primary importance. >> >> >> It is a huge step in processing. >> >> >> More than half a case could be processed on be do have. >> >> >> It is actually much higher than a junior goals package. >> >> >> It is extremely necessary to add it to the book. >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:34 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> >>> Pete, >>> >>> you are not seeing TROM from a newbie's point of view. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:13 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> HI David >>>> What is important to resolve a case is whatever is important to the >>>> individual. It is best to leave TROM as it is and discuss individual >>>> cases >>>> here on the email list. >>>> >>>> Sincerely >>>> Pete McLaughlin >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:24 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pete, >>>> >>>> Prevented from knowing, therefore can't know. >>>> >>>> Prevented from postulating, therefore can't postulate >>>> >>>> Prevented from being, therefore can't be. >>>> >>>> Prevented from doing, therefore can't do >>>> >>>> Prevented from having, therefore can't have, >>>> >>>> >>>> Are dominant for me in that sequence, and I am sure for many others, >>>> if not everyone, >>>> >>>> at least to some degree. >>>> >>>> >>>> You should explain them and add them to the junior goals list, as >>>> editor's edits or additions. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PS: You did make some significant improvements in : >>>> >>>> http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> but more has to be done. >>>> >>>> I know it is hard work, and you can only articulate so much at one time. >>>> >>>> You need to take a break for a couple of yrs and then take another run >>>> at >>>> it. >>>> >>>> >>>> The gradient has to be lowered. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TROM mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TROM mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20160910 >> /7ea02bc6/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:14:55 +0200 >> From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Be do have///// PS >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" >> >> Is this David, David Pelly? >> I am curious. >> >> >> On 10-09-2016 17:37, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> >>> >>> Pete, >>> >>> the reason I asked you to add be do have to the junior goals package >>> was not so much for the people on the list, but for future users of >>> the process. >>> >>> It is unlikely that anyone would ever figure that out. >>> >>> And it is of primary importance. >>> >>> >>> It is a huge step in processing. >>> >>> >>> More than half a case could be processed on be do have. >>> >>> >>> It is actually much higher than a junior goals package. >>> >>> >>> It is extremely necessary to add it to the book. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:34 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> ************ >>> >>> Pete, >>> >>> you are not seeing TROM from a newbie's point of view. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:13 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> ************ >>> >>> HI David >>> What is important to resolve a case is whatever is important >>> to the individual. It is best to leave TROM as it is and >>> discuss individual cases here on the email list. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> Pete McLaughlin >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:24 AM, The Resolution of Mind list >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pete, >>>> >>>> Prevented from knowing, therefore can't know. >>>> >>>> Prevented from postulating, therefore can't postulate >>>> >>>> Prevented from being, therefore can't be. >>>> >>>> Prevented from doing, therefore can't do >>>> >>>> Prevented from having, therefore can't have, >>>> >>>> >>>> Are dominant for me in that sequence, and I am sure for >>>> many others, if not everyone, >>>> >>>> at least to some degree. >>>> >>>> >>>> You should explain them and add them to the junior goals >>>> list, as editor's edits or additions. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PS: You did make some significant improvements in : >>>> >>>> http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf >>>> <http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf> >>>> >>>> >>>> but more has to be done. >>>> >>>> I know it is hard work, and you can only articulate so much >>>> at one time. >>>> >>>> You need to take a break for a couple of yrs and then take >>>> another run at it. >>>> >>>> >>>> The gradient has to be lowered. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TROM mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> <http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> <http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> <http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20160910 >> /c4927624/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:08:46 -0700 >> From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Be do have///// PS >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> David >> The editing I did to the TROM books was only to delete sentence >> fragments, fix run on sentences add a table of contents, index and glossary. >> >> I did not rewrite or create new processes. That was all done by Dennis. >> >> I am not going to add any new material to the TROM books. They are what >> Dennis created and will stay that way. >> >> If you see a compelling need to create some new processes for TROM then >> you are welcome to write them up yourself and publish them. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete McLaughlin >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:37 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Pete, >>> >>> the reason I asked you to add be do have to the junior goals package was >>> not so much for the people on the list, but for future users of the process. >>> >>> It is unlikely that anyone would ever figure that out. >>> >>> And it is of primary importance. >>> >>> >>> It is a huge step in processing. >>> >>> >>> More than half a case could be processed on be do have. >>> >>> >>> It is actually much higher than a junior goals package. >>> >>> >>> It is extremely necessary to add it to the book. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:34 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> Pete, >>>> >>>> you are not seeing TROM from a newbie's point of view. >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:13 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> >>>>> HI David >>>>> What is important to resolve a case is whatever is important to the >>>>> individual. It is best to leave TROM as it is and discuss individual >>>>> cases >>>>> here on the email list. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely >>>>> Pete McLaughlin >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:24 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ************* >>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>> ************ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete, >>>>>> >>>>>> Prevented from knowing, therefore can't know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Prevented from postulating, therefore can't postulate >>>>>> >>>>>> Prevented from being, therefore can't be. >>>>>> >>>>>> Prevented from doing, therefore can't do >>>>>> >>>>>> Prevented from having, therefore can't have, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are dominant for me in that sequence, and I am sure for many >>>>>> others, if not everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> at least to some degree. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You should explain them and add them to the junior goals list, as >>>>>> editor's edits or additions. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> PS: You did make some significant improvements in : >>>>>> >>>>>> http://tromhelp.com/Books1/06TROMTherapyManual6x9.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> but more has to be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know it is hard work, and you can only articulate so much at one >>>>>> time. >>>>>> >>>>>> You need to take a break for a couple of yrs and then take another >>>>>> run at it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The gradient has to be lowered. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TROM mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TROM mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TROM mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20160910 >> /c9e03fcb/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TROM mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of TROM Digest, Vol 143, Issue 9 >> ************************************ >> > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >
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