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HI David I'm impressed. You are doing a lot of research on how the mind works.
Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:42 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > This is a process developed by Mike Wray of Applied Philosophics which was > Dr. Keith Mumby's group in the UK. > > I interspersed some comments in it: > > > In principle, I think it is an extremely good and vital important process. > Although I do not agree with everything in it. > > Processing the problems of the mind is an extremely complex matter and no > one person can figure it all out and perfect it in one lifetime. > > Hubbard studied the works of 50,000 yrs of thinking men to develop what he > did with dianetics and scn. > Dennis Stevens, Mike Wray, Frank Gerbode Zivorad, and many others did a lot > of work to improve upon what Hubbard did. > > The intelligent and competent student always learns every possible from all > those who came before him, and stands on their shoulders to see farther (or > deeper into the subject, as in the case of the problems of the mind). > > The biggest room in the world is room for improvement. > > Knowledge is not static. > > > And no one holds a monopoly on knowledge. > > > I think this process and the comments made, will be helpful to the TROMMER. > > > > > > > > > THE CORE THIS LIFETIME INCIDENT > > LIFE REPAIR SERIES 9. > > > > MUM - 1 > > 8 October 1993 > > > > Copyright (C) 1993 Dr. Keith Mumby > > Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes. > > > > ((This is easily one of the most brilliant pieces on clearing > > technology that I have read in a long time. Dr. Mumby is a professional > > doctor, and a clearing practitioner. He is the head of Applied > > Philosophics (AP), Manchester England.)) > > > > > Sooner or later you will come across an incident which is central > > to shaping the preclear's experiential track this lifetime. It is > > severely aberrative, very traumatic and often TOTALLY OCCLUDED. It > > holds the preclear in thrall and defines that person's case for life. > > > > We call it the core incident and you may encounter it as early as the > > first few hours in Life Repair. > > > Thrall: To be held under someones power. > > > > This type of incident needs a particular handling, developed by AP > > specialist Mike Wray, which is unlike any other type of auditing or > > therapy. The usual method of reducing traumatic incidents simply won't > > work on core incidents. Hence this issue. > > > > > > Despite being a current-lifetime event, the core incident is > > completely unconfrontable to the preclear and remains shut off behind a > > wall of pain and extreme overwhelming paralyzing fear. > (Look up what cataplexy and catatonia are on line) > Sometimes the individual doesn't even know it is > > there, much less the likely content. We have learned that cases can be > > audited for years, going on to the whole track and up the transformation > > levels, yet totally fail to come to grips with the core incident. > > > > > > > > > We know that whatever is the most unconfrontable is what aberrates > > the most. This means the greatest possible case gain gets missed. > > > > > > > IMPLANT > > > > > > > For obvious reasons, the core incident would normally lie in > > childhood years (though not necessarily). It is shocking, utterly > > bewildering and painfully overwhelming, ((and beyond all > > comprehension)), to the young person's mind. Incidents of sexual abuse > > are often of this type. The event is so awful and frightening, the > > being locks the memory away and makes a postulate > (if so it could also be an unwittingly and unconsciously -unintentionally > made postulate- even wordless postulate) to never EVER look at > > it again. > > (Or does not make a postulate, but the incident is just severely > traumatically blocked, or it is an implied -forced- inflicted -postulate by > another. > There does not have to be to be any words or specific thoughts to it,- there > are such things as wordless, thoughtless postulates, possibly just intention > or not even intention. Anything is possible. ) > > He or she may know it is there (usually not) but cannot even > > remember its content, much less run it to erasure. Yet it cleaves to > > the very heart of the identity they hold in this lifetime. > > > > Occluded it certainly is, but it is there, spreading its poison. > > It is mocked up and held so obsessively and heavily that it gains a > > powerful auto-hypnotic quality. You could call it an implant, that's > > how intense the thing is. (It is a type of implant, and could be part of > > demon circuits.) > > > > Like any implant, it will stick the individual emotionally. He or > > she is driven down the tone scale, until being pinned down forcefully at > > the level their resistance is overwhelmed. Thus the incident is > > characterized by intractable unconfrontable rage, fear, grief, despair or > > apathy ((or > > all of the above plus more)). The person often has a fixed tone at this > > level. > > in•trac•ta•ble > > (ɪnˈtræk tə bəl) > > adj. > 1. not docile or manageable; stubborn. > 2. hard to shape or work with: an intractable metal. > 3. hard to treat, relieve, or cure. > > intractable - not tractable; difficult to manage or mold; "an intractable > disposition"; "intractable pain"; "the most intractable issue of our era"; > "intractable metal" > > > > But here's the catch. The secret revealed which will free so many > > sufferers is this: > > THE PERSON IS ACTUALLY DOING IT TO THEMSELVES. It is > > THEIR picture that is being driven in on them so destructively. > The> tendency is to mis-own the responsibility and blame the perpetrator of > > the attack. > [Comment by David Pelly:I don't agree with Mike Wray on the above point. It > does not even make sense. It is just a carry over of Hubbard's BS data on > responsibility. I think it is because he did not want PCs going to kill their > parents for doing what they did. These are the kinds of false data (which > become traps) that Hubbard implanted into scientology, that people have not > questioned.] > > This is what locks it up. We know from the mechanics of > > auditing that anything which persists contains a lie (or simply a false > > datum). > Whereas it is true that the victim had something done to them, the > auto-hypnosis of > > this implant is their own responsibility. This is the ONLY way to > > unlock the door. > > > > > > The fact of obsessively making the picture and using it to harm > > their lives is an act of destruction the person does against themselves > > on the first dynamic. This is what destroys their self-respect and > > dignity, because deep down the individual knows the truth. The key to > > lifting this trauma, you will see, is FORGIVENESS FOR SELF, much more so > > than forgiveness for the oppressor. > [Comment by David Pelly: Again, I don't fully agree with the above.) > > > > > SEXUAL ABUSE > > > > It is apparent that sexual abuse is widespread in our society. > > Molestation and hurt of children has been described as the flaming > > danger signal that any civilization is on its way out. > > D > > > > > > To my knowledge, primitive people do not engage in this particular perversion. > > > > Adults who practice a wide variety of adventurous sexual activity> find it > > difficult to come to terms with these acts. > > D> All of our problems are due to unGodly sexual practices and unGodly > lifestyle practices. > Garbage in- garbage out. > Good stuff in- good stuff out. > > I have a hypothesis (for at least one reason) on why some people are assholes > and have shit for brains, are backwards (are insane: that is; can’t tell > right from wrong) : > > :Their mothers were impregnated from behind. > > > Oral sex, eventually causes a person to act and think like they are fucked in > the head. > > Because the respective chakras are contaminated and corrupted, and corrupt > the physical body and mind. > > > > In one of his books, I forget which one, Hubbard says (something to the > effect, I cannot remember his words exactly) that perverted sexual practices > and abuse of sex will cause so much damage to the person in later yrs, that > it will be a price that no one will be willing to pay. > > People who commit perverted sexual practices or abuse sex, including > masturbation over time, develop discordant energy fields. Even repellent > energy fields. Energy field is uncomfortable to be in. > > > Breach of sanctioned sexual function is breach of natural law, breach of > natural law and order, breach of common sense, breach of the laws of right > and wrong. > > > > It is hard to understand just how shocking a rape may be to an innocent child > who > > encounters nudity and sex for the first time. Often it is not the > > sexuality of the incident but the FORCE and FEAR that harms. Children > > who are lured or teased into depraved acts probably do not suffer so > > much. But the unfortunates who are held down physically and violated > > can be crushed utterly as beings. The betrayal and mystification is all > > the worse to them because it comes from parents or close family members > > who are, or should be, symbols of comfort and safety. The only solution > > they have to the agony is to shut it off completely and refuse to think > > about it. > > > > The occlusion is made worse by the fact that the abuser will > > usually add orders to keep quiet with such aberrative commands as "If > > you tell anyone about this, I'll kill/thrash you/lock you in a cupboard > > forever...etc", which only adds further to the inaccessibility. > > > > This is what you are up against as an auditor. > > [David Pelly: It could be even just thoughts and intentions, that are pounded > in.] > > > > > PHYSICAL VIOLENCE > > > > It isn't all sexual, of course. A child can live a life of terror > > due to frequent physical beatings which over the years becomes gradually > > locked up as a lengthy core incident, even when the beatings cease. The > > social welfare care of children is far from effective and cases > > constantly surface in the press showing just what some youngsters have > > to endure before anyone tries to call a halt. Some are treated worse > > than animals and indeed there have been a number of deaths due to > > starvation and abuse. > > D> That reads as if animals are supposed to be treated bad to some degree. > > In the old days some people out of ignorance or insanity treated animals > very badly. > > > My dad did this to his cows. Nothing would go right for my dad. He would beat > his cows and sic the dogs after the cows and use force to make the cows do > what he wanted them to do. > > My mom would come and fix up an unmanageable, chaotic situation which was > going on for hours for my dad, and fix it peacefully in a few minutes, > much of it just by her presence. > > > > > > > To make matters worse, some of the support institutions mete out > > the worst imaginable treatment of youngsters taken into their care. The > > so-called "pin-down" tortures in Staffordshire children's homes which > > came to light in 1987 is an example of the way children may be treated > > as sub-human by adult bullies and perverts who call themselves "social > > workers". > > D> Note my experience with the John Howard society. > A few yrs after I learned about dianetics and scn, (about 98 or 99 or 2000) I > felt so bad for all the juvenile delinquent children being punished by the > courts and put in jail. > So I went to apply for a counselors job at the John Howard Society. > I had to write an exam and then was interviewed by the head of staff- a woman. > I was asked if I thought that it was the child that was the problem, or was > it the parents who were the problem? > > I said: It was the parents who were the problem. > > The staff head boiled over on the spot, she turned very red and went into > subdued, suppressed rage. > And pretty much threw me out. > > > ((Another kind of core incident is simple repeated starvation from> not > being fed over and over again when one is hungry. > > > > D> Yes, then when the child does get to eat, he over eats just in case he > does not get to eat again for sometime. Also eats for emotional comfort. > > And develops eating disorders and obesity. > > > > Or the baby is > > ignored when it cries and the mother comes only when it has given up and > > gone into silence and life apathy about anyone ever coming. The mother > > worries when the baby is NOT wailing! This long term abuse ruins the > > very core of the child's being, and is almost impossible to audit, as > > the child is in a long term repeated near death engram, that may have > > happened thousands of times.)) > > > > TIME DOES NOT HEAL > > > > The older a person gets, the more the optimism and vitality of > > youth erodes and the more this incident comes to dominate the psyche. > > Life, after all, will constantly hammer them up against the hidden > > memory. It is part of almost every mental computation - a true "held > > down seven". Sometimes a key-in will mark a major set-back in life. > > For many it is downhill from there. > > > This is the stuff of psychotic breaks and many cases live VERY > > close to the edge with this. It colours all the person's thinking and > > destroys their self-esteem. Some cases simply loath themselves and what > > they have become. Because of the self-implant effect, the individual > > goes about with this nightmare twisting every perception and attitude in > > life. Often the person is so far out of valence, he or she will bewail > > being "somebody else" or "not being me". > Family or spouses can come in for harsh accusation for supposedly preventing > the victim from being > able "to do what they want", > when all the time it is the implant > > D> (or other aberrating factors as in axiom 138) > > that is in control. The "forget and move on psychologies", such as using > neuro- > > linguistic programming to rewrite a person's reality is VERY dangerous > > for these people. > The monster can unleash its violence at any moment > > when the combination of circumstances are right, with greatly > > detrimental consequences. (Mass murderers and terrorists) > Pretending it isn't there is exactly what is > > wrong with the person's life. Do NOT fall for this in therapy. > > > > > > > SUSPECTING AN ABUSE INCIDENT. > > > > The difficulty with core incidents is getting at them to run. They > > are so buried that the auditor may miss them on routine case procedures. > > It is vital, therefore, to maintain a high index of suspicion. > > > > Important warning signs are fixed tone, no case gain, little or no > > TA action, the case doesn't run well, despair in auditing and the > > preclear out of valence. The TA will often be high and the needle > > stuck. Or after apparently good sessions, the preclear keeps coming > > back with a reading mental mass in restimulation. > > > > The really diagnostic signs, however are as follows: > > > > a sense of loneliness and isolation lack of self worth, no self confidence > or self esteem, rejection desperation, the feeling of being to blame > > > > These are persistent attitudes that come up endlessly on the case. > > No amount of auditing seems to shift them. Nothing AS-ISes. The case > > may be virtually unrunnable if this is the situation, until the core > > incident is found and addressed. > > > > On no account try to put people with these manifestations onto more > > advanced transformations. They will simply become over-restimulated and > > may go into a permanent decline. The anguish and sense of failure seems > > to intensify, the more the hidden memory is skirted around. After all, > > the being knows it is there and understands only too well the shame of > > being unable (unwilling) to view it. > > D> That does not ring true to me. I question if : "the being knows it is > there". > > He may sense that something is wrong, but can't figure out what it is. > > > ((The subject of why victims feel guilty or shamed of themselves is > > a hot and controversial one, but the fact is one of the fastest roads > > into the withheld motivator of this life IS guilt and shame. There will > > be overts after the incident, they won't be able to live up to their > > fair chosen duties and so on, there will be overts IN the incident as > > they try to strike back with all the intention they can, > > D> (That is only true if they are old enough or big enough or strong enough > to fight back? Or if all the natural fight in them has not been pounded out > of them in one way or another, they can fight back. But if the fight in them > has been beat out of them, then he can't fight back. > > See bk 1. > > My case is very similar to what is described in bk 1 edition 1992 soft cover, > on page 125 and 126 , and 213 and 214. > > Quote paraphrased: The value of a child who is forced to succumb to > punishment is so slight that the Spartans would long since have drown him. > > He is made useless by having his will, spirit and self determination broken, > and self confidence, self worth, self respect, self esteem is totally > destroyed. > > He will break everything for his parent. > > He will be a total loser. > > He was prevented from being, prevented from doing, prevented from having. > > Condition is: > > Must be- can't be. > Must do- can't do. > Must have- can't have. > > > > and there may > > > > be co-excused withheld overts before the incident in past lives when > > they did to their children what was done to them in this life. All > > these trails of guilt must be taken up in order to get at the anger in > > this life that is killing the person. The person is actually killing > > themselves WITH the incident in order to stay alive THROUGH the > > incident! There will be such a computation in the incident that must be > > gotten off for the the thing to fully erase.)) > > > D> This does not ring true to me. I question the validity of past lives, > for myself anyways. > > What little past life auditing I have had has not worked in my opinion or my > experience. > > I think this past life idea is a persistent Hubbard's BS trap. > > He diabolically and cleverly gives you a case and past lives to audit to > send you on a wild bird chase to draw as much money out of you as possible. > > And devotees and sheeple and robots are parroting Hubbard. > > Hubbard covertly implants his case in the PC and when it is audited out, the > PC gets a win of sorts, but it is a clearing of what was implanted by Hubbard. > > That is my hypothesis. > > > > Another hypothesis is that when you are auditing past lives and getting > answers, you could be actually comming with some type of BTs, who are playing > tricks. > > Anything is possible. > > I have read from a couple of sources that there are plus or minus 20 > different types of humans on this planet and some may be new beings and some > may be reincarnated beings. > > The main point to keep in mind, is what is true for the individual is true > for the individual. > > Nothing else should be suggested in any way shape or form. > > > > > > > > The worst cases you may have to deal with are people who have > > slicked over the core incident in other therapies, which bury it further > > in evaluation and glibness. The individual you may find has been made > > to rationalize their experiences; made into a confirmed "victim" by > > misdirected sympathy; bounced off the engram repeatedly and generally > > made even more fearful or helpless in the face of its charge. > > > D> That rings true to me. > > > > > > RUNNING THE CORE INCIDENT > > > > The whole key to the case is to locate and reduce the core > > incident. Yet there is total somatic shut-off and no recall. How to > > proceed? > > > > Firstly, any light auditing which gets off charge is valid. Life > > repair entry is excellent at unburdening. Gradually, the individual's > > confront is increased so that they understand the nature of mental > > facsimilies and how to deal with them. > > > > The existence of a core incident may become apparent, or the > > auditor may begin to suspect one. As you learn more about the > > individual's early life, the possibility of such an event may be > > obvious. Be on the look out. You may be suspicious, due to the > > character of the parents and immediate family members and the > > relationship of each to your case. Abuse incidents do not tend to take > > place in loving balanced homes. > > D> This is significant. > > yes, it is important to compare what you have been taught in scn, with > what you see in the outside world. > > (This is taught in ch 20; How to study a science; in; A New slant on life. > ) > > Look at all the sane and functional families and very able people who have > never done scn. They are doing quite well. > > If having a fucked up past life track was true, as scngists have been > programmed with, everyone in the world would be fucked up dysfunctional. > > (Be at or near the bottom of the tone scale.) > > But that is not so. There are lots of very high toned, high theta able people > in the world. Lots of great loving families. > > Scntlgy has lots of diabolically placed /embedded lies, traps and false and > limiting data, that has never been inspected or evaluated by the very large > majority of people who did scngy. > > The most dangerous lies (or false datums) are the ones that are embedded in > mental constructs which contain enough truth to hide them. The more truth > there is in a mental construct, the more the truth acts as a glue to hold the > embedded lie in place. Then they are not inspected and often defended to > death. > Question and test everything. > > > > > If it is not discreditable ((a discreditable incident like sexual > > abuse which the perpetrator is trying to hide)), such as an accident or > > operation leading to an NED (near death experience), it is possible the > > preclear may even have been told what happened conceptually. Thus the > > core incident can be fully described but he or she, of course, would > > have no direct access via recall. > > > > > ((It may be that there is a train of incidents that the parent does > > not consider discreditable but also has little inkling of the damage > > they cause, so they talk about them a lot even though they were deadly. > > 'Oh you used to cry and cry, and we just ignored you, you were such a > > noise maker, we thought you would drive us nuts, but eventually you > > quieted down. You were such a nice baby.')) > > D> Oh boy! Good example! > > > > > The way to get into these heavy incidents is the technique of > > "feeling repeater", as described in Life repair Series No. 8. > > > D> > "feeling repeater", I never heard this phrase before. That is a good one. > > > > We find > > and work on the crucial feeling, sensation, emotion, attitude or pain > > that characterizes the incident and let it drift us down into the > > depths. > > > > Once sonic or visio gets turned on, it is easier. More and more of > > it comes into view; the preclear bounces out but you keep thrusting them > > back in by focusing on the feeling - all the time the feeling or > > attitude etc. You can keep breaking off chunks. The file clerk offers > > a somatic or image but will seem to snatch it away again straight away; > > it becomes re-buried. Great patience is needed: 10 - 20 hours on JUST > > ONE INCIDENT is not uncommon. > > > > > > > With a psychometer, of course, it is much easier. This will read > > on charge in the pre-conscious area, just below awareness. The auditor > > guides with "What was that?" as he follows the reads and digs it out, > > bit by bit. When nothing is moving, a key phrase such as "I can never > > forgive myself" or "This is hopeless" will read well and you can keep > > bringing the preclear back to this over and over. > > > > INTERFACE > > > > You have to get at how the incident affected THEM, the way it is > > used as a filter on reality and perception. How does he or she THINK > > about this incident? The sense of being to blame or the sheer > > unconfrontability often thrusts the person into a different valence and > > he or she will not see it from their own viewpoint - WHICH OF COURSE IS > > THE ONLY PLACE IT CAN BE AS-ISED FROM. > > > > It is said that 80% of life is how you take it and 20% is how you > > make it. You need to keep asking "How did you take to/respond to that" > > at each stage, over and over. > > > > Mike Wray calls this the interface. The preclear is controlled via > > what they believe about the memory and its consequences. This brings us > > back to the self-hypnotism effect. To those of you who know your > > transformational grade material, it acts rather like a service > > facsimile, as described by L. Ron Hubbard, circa 1951. > > > > ((The service facsimile is that incident the preclear uses to > > excuse his failures, and has a computation at its core of the form, 'The > > way to get disabled is to be able, so the way to remain able is to be > > disabled. These are called Safe Solutions because they help the being > > deal with Dangerous Problems, but really they are Dangerous Solutions > > because they are an attempt to handle a Dangerous Problem by being > > dangerous to oneself.)) > > > > D> This data or a part of it, (the idea that a being is responsible for his > case or any part of it, does not ring true for me. > > Axiom 138 rings true for me. All other VPs get stuck in my internal gut meter. > > > > > > It is something the person uses to explain failures in survival. > > It has come to be USEFUL to that person, at some crazy computation > > level. > > D> I think Hubbard;s def of cerfac is wrong. > The computation was a matter of necessity, a matter of survival. The least of > the evils or and having no other workable option. > > All available flows or options were blocked. > > The parent sometimes does this so the child does not become smarter than the > parent, and see and expose the parents faults or harmful acts or crimes or > "one up" the parent, or get one over the parent. > > That is what rings true for me. > > That is true suppression or the ultimate suppression or the worst kind of > suppression. > > > > At the very least, it is a definitive (prescriptive) view of > > reality for them. ((Prescribe means to set down a rule > > D> (or the only workable course of action) > > > about how one > > should live to be safe, happy or able.)) > > > > DIFFICULTIES > > > > One of the major feelings to prevent running of CIs is the utter > > disbelief of the case. The person has a hard time accepting the truth > > of what they recover as memory. It may be weeks ((or in my case years)) > > after successfully exploding the core incident that the person actually > > dares to believe it may have been true. > > D> I like that Mike Wray admitted talking about his own case. > > It adds a tremendous amount of credibility. > > > > > > ((Core incidents often restimulate whole track and magic track, also > > one's own overts along those lines. It is often a Withheld Motivator > > sitting on top of a Co-excused Overt in a past life. Thus there is > > tremendous incredibility on the incident, much of which comes from what > > is RESTIMULATED AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT independent of the incident > > itself.)) > > > > Another is the tendency to give up. The person will often cry in > > anguish that "Nothing can be done. It's hopeless. I'm done for." > > D> Could I add: ........ “I can't handle it.” ? > > > > These can be terrible emotions for the auditor to have to confront and > > you need to be in good personal shape. But you can also use these for > > repeaters and this may plunge you quickly into the heart of the > > incident. > > > > Unconsciousness may surface and be reflected as falling into a > > stupor while running. > > D> Or a lot of other incredible and scary stuff. > > Just keep going. It will boil off. > > > > > > One of the most striking manifestations, says Mike Wray, is that the > > individual seems UTTERLY BLIND. They just cannot see what they have > > been doing that has been so ruinous, if you can imagine a person blind > > at the level of beingness. The bewilderment persists and the auditor > > may need to lead evaluatively by clever guidance, such as "Can you see > > how this would lead to...etc?" It is important to use only hypothetical > > examples and show them on some "imaginary case" how if THAT occurred and > > then THAT, the result would surely be...(whatever has happened to them). > > > > Slowly, chunk by chunk, it surrenders. > > > > FORGIVENESS. > > > > After you have run the incident through plenty of times, take a > > pause to review things. Asking: "Let's take stock; how does this > > incident seem to you now?" will update you on the PC's tone and > > awareness. You have got some charge off an incident which was clearly > > shameful or hurtful. Ask: "How do you feel now about yourself after > > having gone through all that?" He or she will probably not be feeling > > very positive about themselves. Also you want to know: "How do you feel > > now about this other person in the incident?" You will usually get a > > charged up response, such as "bastard". > > D> That is being nice. > > > > > If this is the attitude, you say: "I take it that it would still be > > very difficult to forgive that person fully for what happened?" which > > will probably read. Explain that you want to really purge or cleanse > > the thing fully out of the person. Tell the preclear you can see there > > is still some deep seated anger and ask him or her to GET THE IDEA, IN > > PRESENT TIME, OF COMPLETELY 100% FORGIVING THE PERSON THAT HURT OR > > ABUSED THEM. > > > > > D> How about getting the pc to "be" the perpetrator (to be in the > perpetrators shoes) and then audit the perpetrator on necessary or relevant > flows? > > > > > With luck, that will blow down and you will get a floating needle > > and suitable realizations and smiles to end off. The preclear will have > > fully AS-ISed the incident and all its pain and be freed finally by that > > last act of forgiveness. > > > > But more likely at first, they will try, yet be fairly non- > > committal. You may need to ask: "How did that go?" after they have > > worked at it for a few minutes. The reply is usually "I don't know" or > > something like that. It is obvious they haven't forgiven anything. So > > say: "When I asked you to do that, what feeling did you bump into?". It > > will start reading and you can call "That..that.." till they tell you > > what it was - irritation, grief or whatever emotion turns on. > > > > Then you go back to repeater feelings, using this new emotion that > > has surfaced. "We need to confront that emotion if you are going to be > > able to get free of this fully and erase it altogether. Where do you > > get that feeling inside? Now really confront it..." and you are away > > running it again. > > > > Some new material might come up. You re-scan it over and over, TIR > > ((Traumatic Incident Reduction)) style, till that too all erases. > > Then you go back to: "How do you feel about this incident now?" and > > so on, back to forgiveness, round and round, till it is GONE forever. > > > > > > SELF-FORGIVENESS > > > > You can tell from what has been run if the person has guilt and > > self-punishment. Shame, blame or regret means they are still beating > > themselves up about it in some way. > > You must also ask: > > "How do you feel about forgiving yourself for getting into this situation in > the first > place? How does that feel to you?" > > > Probably there will be doubt or > > resistance to this. Tell him or her to: "Get the idea of completely > > 100% absolving yourself or all guilt, all blame". Watch for a read and > > ask "What's that?" Get off the negative emotions as above. Do the same > > thing again. > > > D> This irks me. It reads on my internal meter. > > t does not ring true for me. > > You are evaluating for the preclear. > > You are telling him what his “case” is. > > Or you are putting someone else's “case” or “data” into him. > > > > IMO this is very wrong. > > You need to have the pc figure out what his case is for himself. > > > > > > As I mentioned above, it is hating self and blaming self that locks > > these up at core. > > D> Mike Wray contradict's himself from what he said earlier. > > > > You must go down far to get this. You are gouging > > out stuff pretty deeply from the soul at this point. Eventually all the > > negativity will come out, the charge blow and the meter go free needle. > > Up it comes and sooner or later he or she will recognize they no longer > > feel guilt, no blame, no hurt...it's shiny and clean and NO PERSISTENCE > > (see definition of AS-ISness). > > > > You cannot free the being fully until you have achieved this. > > The hurt will linger slightly, the sense of being somehow a "victim", which > > is where most therapies squarely place the unlucky case. > > D> The above is in contradiction of axiom 138. > > > > ((The whole theory of Co-excused withholds comes into play here on > > Core Incidents. The being receives an overwhelming incident in this > > life that makes them want to kill or ruin the perpetrator WHILE the > > incident is going on. An effort to strike out and harm the opponent is > > generated at the height of the incident, but it scuttled in mid stroke > > by a sudden rememberance of a prior guilt. If the being strikes out to > > 'teach the perpetrator a lesson' now, that means THEY deserve the same > > treatment for what they did life times ago to their own children. > > > > D> This does not ring true to me. Axiom 138 rings true for me. > > >My experience is that this past life is BS. > > > There is little satisfaction to having killed your tormentor if you > > now have to go turn yourself in to receive a similar execution for a > > prior deed which has until now remained conveniently hidden. It is > > during these moments of High Injustice that the being's craving for > > Absolute Justice comes once again to the surface, but as he prepares to > > deliver the death blow, he remembers he has one coming to him too. So > > he sheepishly changes his mind IN MID STROKE and kind of shrinks back > > into his suffering, lest anyone be reminded of his own misdeeds. > > > > Any thetan in any baby body can kill any parent dead by merely > > throwing a bolt at him. > > > > D> This does not ring true for me. > > How can any thetan in any baby body kill any parent dead by merely throwing > a bolt at him? > > > I think this is just parroting more of Hubbard's style of BS. > > I think this (having adopted such BS as true) is one reason why every > scngist I have met, after many yrs of auditing, is still a mess. > > And since then having a poor grip on right and wrong. And having quite low > ability. > > In my peak states that I have attained from auditing, I was almost all > knowing, and extremely powerful. So much that I was afraid to use it. I did > not have enough time to get used to it and learn how to use it and learn how > to stay in that state. > > SPs and overts and ignorance caved me in. > > > > That he doesn't and throws the bolt at himself > > instead is a sure sign of a Co-excused Overt / Withheld Motivator lock > > up. > > > > D> I repeat my previous statement about axiom 138 being true, at least for me. > > > > > Later he ends up holding onto the present Injustice more out of a > > desire to prove that he DIDN'T strike back and what such a good fellow > > he is and all to suffer all this outrageous treatment so magnanimously, > > so that when others finally find out what HE did many life times ago, > > they will treat him with the same forbearance. If he is still worried > > about consequences of his own past actions being found out, NOTHING will > > get him to give up the present motivator.)) > > > 1. D> Again I question the validity of all the above. > > I think if one thetan did it many life times ago, than all have done so too. > > And if all have done so, then everybody would be similarly fucked up, which > is not the case. Many people are operating a very high level of ability and > personal ethics. > > > > > > 2. D> At least I would never or even hint at, or install covertly by leading > questions or implications or insinuations or manipulations or anything of > such nature, in any way shape or form, tell a PC what his case is or should > be or might be. > > To me that is criminal auditing. > > It makes me sick. > > If such data does indeed exist, then let the PC find out for himself. > > On the other hand, if this is true for someone, than so be it. > > > > I do not feel it is true for me. > > Like I said before, if it is true for me, I want to find out on my own, > without being told what it is, in any way shape or form. > > > > > > > OTHER BUTTONS. > > > > You may FN an incident fully and yet you find the preclear still > > slightly hung up, or the auditor gets the sense that there is something > > still there. Many possible flows and feelings exist. Top AP auditors, > > from their wide understanding of the mechanics of the mind, particularly > > "buttons", can pick up extra charge, such as RESPONSIBILITY, SUPPRESSION > > and ADMIRATION. The preclear will be aware of this at some level and > > happily co-operate in releasing the last shreds of charge. > > > > Perhaps the preclear is still feeling blameworthy. Get the person > > to look up the definition of RESPONSIBILITY so they can see it is > > different from shame, blame and regret. Sometimes even clearing the > > definition blows it totally. The person realizes they had a false > > concept of responsibility, which in AP means CAUSE, it does not mean > > "fault". ((Fault means something you did that you didn't mean to do, > > responsibility means knowing willing cause.)) > > > > D> The above does not ring true for me. > > The PC may not have been responsible for his case, but he is responsible for > getting it resolved or audited out, he is responsible for dealing with it. > > > > > > > > In a more established case, incidentally, you can run any heavy > > incident on this responsibility idea. Once a certain level of awareness > > is reached, the being knows that he or she is at cause over every part > > of experience and reality. > > D> I think this is just more parroting of Hubbard's BS. > > > > > > Similarly, you word-clear the meaning of SUPPRESSION: HARMFUL > > INTENTION AGAINST WHICH YOU CAN'T FIGHT BACK. The definition alone will > > often light up the person's awareness and you can re-run it all, lifting > > the button. > > > D> This contradicts the points above. This rings true for me > > > > Once the person understands the mechanism of suppression, they > > begin to realize just how "reasonable" they may have been for years > > about the onslaught of events, or a certain person in particular. It > > may have become chronically instilled into a person to be "nice", even > > when someone has intentions to harm them. It can be a great relief to > > waken up to what was happening and quite therapeutic to let out some > > anger, rather than bottling it all up! Forgiveness isn't what is wanted > > for suppression: it's reverting to being at CAUSE with that individual's > > influence. > > > D> I question the above underlined ..........CAUSE ? > > > > > This again is a question of teaching the person to confront. It is > > usual to have a low confront of evil and assume people are OK, when > > quite clearly they are not (see AP 000, the Stressful Personality). By > > being reasonable during auditing, the case may miss half the charge or > > more. Incidentally, "reasonable" too, has a special meaning in AP: it > > means putting up with, accepting and even explaining away things that > > are WRONG. Clearly nothing will improve without the recognition that a > > condition is non-optimum and so reasonableness is a condemnation to > > suffering. > > > > > > > > Basically, this is "hands on" case handling. You don't program a > > case "in the chair" but you sure had better be able to think on your > > feet. There is no substitute for FULL AND COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THE > > MECHANICS OF THE MIND AT THE HUMAN LEVEL, as we teach it in AP. The > > experienced auditor will then know that much bigger wins are sometimes > > available to the preclear and not end off at the first round of end- > > phenomena. > > > > Finally, I want to mention ADMIRATION as a button. We are > > currently still checking this one out. The idea comes from the early > > 1950's writings of L. Ron Hubbard. According to him, anything which is > > not fully admired tends to persist. He was talking here of concepts at > > the junction between psychology and the metaphysical. This is really > > what the spirit or being is doing. What little investigation we have > > done to date shows that by fully admiring a bad experience, the people > > in it, one's self and one's reaction to it, it will simply dissolve. > > But run it and get the main charge off first. This is for really tough > > core implants. > > > > Think of it like clearing up a mess in the parlour. You carry off > > all the rubble and sweep up: admiration processing will get rid of the > > nasty stain on the carpet! Look out for a future issue on this. > > > D> IMO in this case, admire means “to as-is”. > > The right word to use is to fully and impartially and honestly and thoroughly > look at it. > > To see it as it is. > > To as-is it. > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Keith Mumby > > > > Applied Philosophics > > PO Box 38 > > Chorlton > > Manchester M21 1JL > > Tel/Fax: + 44 61 881 1167 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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