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Who was Dustin? I am curious to know, because every comment of his that I have read, has always been of very high theta qcalibre. As is the last comment in this repost. Is he still around? David On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 5:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < [email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Sent *Saturday fifth of November 2016* > > by *[email protected]* <[email protected]> (Antony > Phillips) > > > Replay B59 and B59A > > We are back in 1998, > > see what Trommers where saying then! > > > > Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data > (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > To: [email protected] > > From: Antony Phillips <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Subject: [trom-L] Replay B59 and B59A > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > > > Previously sent: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:35:23 +0200 > > and Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:15:22 +0100 > > > > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:07:37 -0500 (EST) > > From: Roy Eugene Vinner <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > X-Sender: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: TROM without prior Scientology auditing > > Message-ID: <[email protected]. > indiana.edu> > <[email protected]> > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Hello all, > > > I got a TROM file from a friend about four years ago. I immediately was > > turned off by its do-it-yourself style but later I reconsidered my > > decision and did a lot of work on levels 1, and 2 and 3-- I often worked > > simultaneously on the last two levels disregarding the stipulation that > > level 2 should be a prerequisite to level 3. Despite my copious effort I > > could not finish level 3 due to overrestimulation. I then received plenty > > of Scientology auditing which obviated the need to continue with the > > level. > > > I wonder whether anyone has reached level 4 or 5 _without_ any prior > > Scientology auditing as TROM suggests. If so, please, reply to the list. > > > Roy > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:46:32 -0700 > > From: "MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-LAWE (Win95; I) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: Roy Eugene Vinner <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > CC: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: TROM without prior Scientology auditing > > > Roy Eugene Vinner wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I got a TROM file from a friend about four years ago. I immediately was > > > turned off by its do-it-yourself stile but later I reconsidered my > > ...snip... > > > I wonder whether anyone has reached level 4 or 5 _without_ any prior > > > Scientology auditing as TROM suggests. If so, please, reply to the list. > > > > > > Roy > > > Hello Roy, > > > I have been through levels 4 and 5 without any prior scientology auditing. > > Although I had been on staff for six months prior to this and absorbed all > the > > auditing theory I could regarding the tech and was very anxious to receive > auditing, > > I did not get any. I did run the Self-Analysis book by LRH on myself > before finding > > Trom until it seemed flat also an early process LRH had put out called > 'Six Steps to > > Better Beingness'. Compared to Trom, these were very inconsequential. It's > been > > said before and I'm inclimed to agree that the first four levels are > really a preparation > > for level 5, where I spent the most time and gained ten-fold over the > first four. > > Michael Bonnycastle > > > *********************************** > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:19:10 +0100 > > From: Antony Phillips <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Organization: International Viewpoints > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: TROM: Replay 59B > > > > *I have split todays replay into two, due to admin difficulties, Hi, Ant > [to parts now reunited]* > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > ] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:44 AM > > ...snip... > > > Any way you could post > > > these? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Michael Bonnycastle > > > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:17:40 -0700 > > From: "MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-LAWE (Win95; I) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: "Dustin W. Carr" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > CC: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: beyond level 5 > > > Dustin W. Carr wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > > > Your email got buried in the middle of lots of stuff, so I apologize for > the > > > long delay. > > > > > ...snip... > > > > Any way you could post > > > > these? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Michael Bonnycastle > > > > > > > Hello Dustin, > > > Thanks for the response. If I may ask, is there anything in your return to > level 5 > > that you may now especially emphasize or are applying in your latest > > run-through? I ask this because of late level 5 has gone curiously flat > for me > > though I do feel there is more to be gained from it. > > > Best regards, > > > Michael Bonnycastle > > > From: "Dustin W. Carr" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > To: "MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Cc: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: beyond level 5 > > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:47:19 -0400 > > > > Thanks for the response. If I may ask, is there > > > anything in your return to level 5 > > > that you may now ... > > ...snip... > > >... this because of late level 5 has gone curiously > > > flat for me though I do feel there > > > is more to be gained from it. > > > I feel that the RI process included in TROM is insufficient. Without > > sufficient RI, I had the experience of level 5 becoming somewhat flat. This > > has happened twice. > > > The many objectives exercises included in the beginning of the Pilot's book > > are excellent and served well to put me back in control of things and > > increase my awareness of the present. When I went back to doing level 5, > > the changes were stronger than ever. In fact, I started over on level 5 at > > the beginning of this year. After many hours (>100), I have just now moved > > on to the fourth step on the chart. Each step brought so much change that > > it took months to flatten it. > > > The main focus has been on maintaining my concentration, and focusing my > > will enough to create the postulates in present time with intention. I keep > > the awareness that I am creating the postulates, and that nothing is > causing > > me to do this. When this stimulates pictures, emotions, ideas, etc I do not > > try to understand why these pictures/emotion/ideas brought about the > > compulsive postulates. Instead I acknowledge how they are merely examples > > of the postulates. These examples serve to clarify how I am using these > > postulates in the present time. > > > To take an example suppose that as a child, you have experiences where you > > failure to do a math problem in front of a class lead to ridicule. An > > overwhelm results and you are forced to accept that you do not know math. > > You then carry around this postulate, and you bar anybody from being able > to > > communicate math to you. You may even take a life path that puts you in a > > position where nobody will ever try to communicate to you regarding math. > > > Now, when this image from childhood comes up during level 5 (self:not know, > > others:must not be known), it would be easy to acknowledge the cause of > your > > compulsive postulate as arising from the incident in your childhood, and > > that you were using level 5 with the intention of finding such a cause. > This > > puts you in a game against your mind, where you think that you have fooled > > your mind into uncovering some of its dark secrets that have been making > > your life less than what it should be. > > > Instead, you can view the image as an example of the postulate that your > > mind has uncovered so as to help you with your goal of gaining > understanding > > of your self. Now you and your mind are on the same team, playing a game > > that both can enjoy and benefit from. > > > But what about the fact that you can point to that event and say that it > > caused you to compulsively avoid math for the rest of your life? That is > > not significant. As long as you can gain control of the postulate now and > > release your compulsions, then all past transgressions are forgiven. > > > The important question to ask is not "What is the hidden cause for what I > am > > doing/being/having?" but instead "What am I doing/being/having?" > > > This is much more than I had intended to write. And probably more than I > > should say on the spur of the moment. > > > I hope it helps. > > > Dustin > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Michael Bonnycastle > > > **************end of two parts of one relay > > > Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). 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