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1. Cynic (The Resolution of Mind list)
2. LRH and Donald Trump (The Resolution of Mind list)
3. Re: LRH and Donald Trump (The Resolution of Mind list)
4. Vorb's TROM Diary - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 145, Issue 19)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:47:38 -0500
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
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Subject: [TROM1] Cynic
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Definition of *cynic*
1 : a person who has negative opinions about other people and about the
things people do; *especially* : a person who believes that people are
selfish and are only interested in helping themselves
*2* : a faultfinding captious critic; *especially* : one who believes
that human conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest
A cynic is someone who has an aversion to the truth or for the truth. A
cynic does not want to know or see the truth. He sees or insists to see
something other than what is actually being said or done. He argues right
to be wrong and wrong to be right, good to be bad and bad to be good,
true
to be false and false to be true.
He refuses to see, realize or understand that people can have positive or
unselfish motives. Cynicism if you really think about it, is in fact a
form
of insanity, a form of psychosis.
*Psychosis: *
1. a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired
that contact is lost with external reality. 2. a severe mental disorder
in
which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with
external reality. 3. a severe mental disorder in which thought and
emotions
are so impaired that a person cannot discern between right and wrong,
good
and bad, and true and false. 4. A mental disorder that sees wrong where
there is right, bad where there is good, false where there is truth, or
vice versa.
2. In the general sense, a mental illness that markedly interferes with a
person's capacity to meet life's everyday demands. In a specific sense,
it
refers to a thought disorder in which reality evaluation is severely
impaired. The person is unable to interpret situations accurately and
solve
problems effectively. A mental condition that causes a person to do
everything wrong or screw up everything. Like a computer that gives wrong
answers.
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:30:03 -0500
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Subject: [TROM1] LRH and Donald Trump
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LRH was quoted as saying this:
When I wrote it [Excalibur] I gave myself an education which outranks
that
of anyone else. I don't know but it might seem that it takes terrific
brain
work to get the thing assembled and usable in the head.
* I do know that I could form a political platform, for instance, which
would encompass the support of the unemployed, the industrialist and the
clerk and day laborer all at one and the same time. And enthusiastic
support it would be. Things are due for a bust in the next half dozen
years. Wait and see.'Towards the end of the letter he wrote about strange
forces he felt stirring within him which made him feel aloof and
invincible.*
Can you see megalomaniac LRH; living on in megalomaniac Donald Trump?
David
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:06:43 -0800
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Hmmm! Maybe.
I definitely can see two high paid political propaganda machines going
at each other full bore and rousing the rabble to extreme antisocial
behavior.
Keep in mind that people go crazy all at once but recover slowly one at
a time.
Let things quiet down for 6 to 12 months and see if anything has changed.
Keep on TROMing.
Anything that rouses your to anger in the environment is handing you
free incidents in your mind that you can profitable timebreak.
If you can come out of this political season with feelings of joy and
love toward all you will be well on your way toward nirvana.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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LRH was quoted as saying this:
When I wrote it [Excalibur] I gave myself an education which outranks
that of anyone else. I don't know but it might seem that it takes
terrific brain work to get the thing assembled and usable in the head.
I do know that I could form a political platform, for instance, which
would encompass the support of the unemployed, the industrialist and
the clerk and day laborer all at one and the same time. And
enthusiastic support it would be. Things are due for a bust in the next
half dozen years. Wait and see.'
Towards the end of the letter he wrote about strange forces he felt
stirring within him which made him feel aloof and invincible.
Can you see megalomaniac LRH; living on in megalomaniac Donald Trump?
David
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:56:44 +0100
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Subject: [TROM1] Vorb's TROM Diary - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 145, Issue
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Hi Vorb,
please find my comments inserted into your text below.
Hi Guys,
I am very happy to inform you, that I just hit my 100 hour goal
for 2016 and this gives me 200 hours altogether with TROM.
You can read my previous reports here:
at 100 hours:
http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-March/005194.html
at 150 hours:
http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-August/005376.html
So what happened?
First of all RI started to work at around 160-170 hours in.
Before that, when I did RI nothing happened. I run it
no yawning, no needle movement on the e-meter, no change
at all. So I got used to it, just did it for a minute or
two, and then moved on to level 2. Sometimes I run it
for 15 minutes, just to see if it turns something on.
Well the Tone Arm on the e-meter started to rise very
slowly (as it should do with havingness processes) and
reaches around 3.5 in about 15 minutes, but still no change.
And then out of the blue at around 160 hours I yawned
a very little, and then more and more, and harder and
harder the yawning become. In the last 30 hours I yawned
just as hard as running an event for usually 20 minutes.
So I start the session, do RI for 20 minutes, with a lot
of yawning, then puff, all of a sudden the yawning is
gone, I try for 2-3 more minutes and then move on to
my special mixture of level 5 with level 2.
So I take the postulate failure chart, put the postulate
in the wall, wait a few seconds, and ... yawning starts almost
immediately. Soon and event pops up in my mind from this life.
Then I take the event and run it on level 2. This takes
these days somewhere between 10 - 30 minutes. I do RI
afterwards (this time nothing happens) and look back on the
postulate failure chart put the postulates back, start
yawning almost immediately, then in a minute a new
event appears and repeat the whole thing.
Then I finish with RI (nothing happens here)
Those events that appear, do you regard them as significant or
charged events? Or are they just every-day events which you
remember? In the latter case running through them or timebreaking
them would not do much. You can not discharge an uncharged
incident.
Further, there is some risk - particularly for PCs who have had
a past in Scientology - that they have a strong focus on the
way incidents are run in Dianetics. They believe that auditing must
always be about incidents and discharging traumatic incidents. They
have a tendency to be biased in that direction and auditing which is
based on concepts appears unreal to them. (A good example of
processing which is not based on incidents but rather handles them
from a conceptual point of view is the "Black and White" procedure
from the book Scientology 8-8008. That simple process handles
engrams wholesale without ever touching a single specific incident.
In that regard TROM L5 is similar. There is a high level of
abstraction contained in it which is necessary to make it runnable
as a solo self-clearing method. Of course incidents - even highly
charged ones may pop-up. But do not expect that exclusively.
[Quote Dennis:
"Basically the difficulty is a lack of understanding that you're
dealing purely with postulates.
You're not dealing with effects here on the chart, you're
dealing with postulates. That's all you are putting up, it's
postulates. You're not putting up effects, you're not putting
up sensations, or you're not creating people, you're not
mocking up people, you are not mocking up walls, or floors,
or situations. You're simply mocking up postulates. What
we're working with are just postulates. That's the whole level
of level 5, it's postulates. That is all we are working with at
level 5, it's postulates. We don't work with anything else, we
timebreak out anything else that shows up. We only work
with postulates at Level 5.
"It is an incredible thing to work with. At first it seems very
strange and so forth, very odd and peculiar to be just
working with postulates. But after one gets used to it, when
you get into level 5 you get to a point eventually where you
wouldn't dream of working with anything else but postulates
because you get the fastest results working with postulates
and you always work with just postulates. You simply
timebreak out everything else that shows up.
Any incidents that show up, or sensations, or emotions or
whatever shows up, you simply timebreak them out.
So at level 5 you are working purely with postulates. Once
you grasp that you have got it. You have got it. You can work
then on level 5 and realize what you're doing."]
Listen (or read) again very carefully the tape which Dennis made to
explain the L5 procedure step by step.
He says:
["Then you simply timebreak out anything that shows up, any
sensations that show up.
Your whole situation is of cameo9, as a scenario, as a scene,
and you timebreak out anything that happens. Anything that
shows up, you time break it. Time break it out until it's gone"]
So you pick up not only the visual content but as well e.g.
emotions, feelings, ... to timebreak them.
Make sure that you really put up the right postulates. Which
would be in the case of the first line of the chart the MBK
(Must Be Known) of the _other_ (your opponent) and not your
own postulate.
I quote Dennis again:
["If you go over the column 1 on the chart you see that the level
here is "Forced to Know. It's you being forced to know. Get that?
Doesn't matter what it is, you don't have to specify as we are
just working with the postulates. So you would put up "Must
be Known" over that way in the class of not-self.
Now get yourself right where you are, right here where you
are with the "Must Know" postulate. There's a little danger
there that you could say, ?Oh well, get me over that way.?
Oh no, that's wrong. You get here right where you are with
the "Must know" postulate."]
Make very, very sure you have that right. Because otherwise the whole
procedure will not work as intended.
This squirrel method was developed by me because all of
you urged me to move on to level 5, and because I wanted
to have some wins. Well, I still did not have a single win,
but it is instructive to see for example me criticizing
others or others criticizing me and so on.
What do you regard as a win?
You may have expectations which can not be met by a certain tech.
People often go into Scientology or other practices driven by
a desire to get rich, have power, have a good 2D, ...
And that is the way it is sometimes advertised. It's not
about spiritual development or freedom.
In auditing this is known as "Hidden Standard".
Quoting you:
"it is instructive to see for example me criticizing
others or others criticizing me and so on."
Isn't that a win for you?
Definition:
[HIDDEN STANDARD, 1. a hidden standard is a problem a person thinks must
be resolved before auditing can be seen to have worked. It?s a standard
by
which to judge Scn or auditing or the auditor. This hidden standard is
always
an old problem of long duration. It is a postulate-counter-postulate
situation. The
source of the counter-postulate was suppressive to the pc. (HCOB 8 Nov
65)
2 .
is not just a physical or mental difficulty but one by which the pc
measures his
case gains. A case measurement thing used secretly by the pc. (BTB 18
Sept
72)
Abbr. HS.]
*Level 2 overrun?*
Previously some people hinted that I overrun level 2,
but I no longer believe that. I spoke with my auditor
and he told me: and overrun is immediately visible on
the meter as a sharp rise of the Tone Arm, which would
settle between TA=4 - 5 in 1 to 2 minutes. This has never
ever happened.
That's good that at least "overrun" can be ruled out now as
a reason for your troubles.
So we have left those options:
- L2 is flat (at least for the time being).
- L2 is left unflat somehow.
Now, you could ask your auditor to check that by asking you
on the emeter. He would as well use buttons like "suppressed",
"invalidated" on the question.
And do not forget to check on L3 and L4 as well!
But finally your own opinion about the answer will be the only
valid criterion. You can always trust your own feelings in that
respect.
*What About RI?*
My auditor told me, that very often preclears start
auditing, they go really fast, and then at some point
they collapse, and then the auditing really start to
bite. Many preclears give up then, feeling they lost
all wins. He compared it to a river you have to swim
through, but some preclears start to ice skate on
the thin ice on the river banks, until the ice cracks
and then the hard part begins. I believe at 170 hours
of trom the ice collapsed under me, so I reached the
bottom, all I have to do now is swim, it cannot be
worse than this.
That is a sensible assessment.
As well do not expect spectacular wins and cognitions from
RI when the CCHs and L1 had been flattened on you.
The purpose of RI is not even to bring in your rudiments at
the start of a session. If that is what you need you better do
it with timebreaking all the events of the day (as Dennis
proposes in the same tape I've been referring above).
The purpose of RI is to remedy havingness. Auditing which is
effective (you see TA-action on your meter which is a measure
of charge being blown off of your case) a PC experiences an
effect which can be described as depletion of havingness.
RI balances and remedies that unwanted sensation.
Definitions:
[DEPLETION OF HAVINGNESS, the truth of something, even when arrived at
by the route of subjection and force, will as-is the something and cause
its
vanishment, and thus it is no longer had. This is called by auditors the
depletion
of havingness. (5601C31)]
[HAVINGNESS, 1. that which permits the experience of mass and pressure.
(A&L,
p. 8) 2 . the feeling that one owns or possesses. (SH Spec 84, 6612C13) 3
. can
be simply defined as ARC with the environment. (SH Spec 294, 6308C14) 4 .
that activity which is run when needed and when it will not violently
deflect the
pc?s attention. (SH Spec 85, 6111C28) 5 . the result of creation. (SH
Spec
19,
6106C23) 6 . the ability to duplicate that which one perceives, or
create a
duplication of what one perceives, or to be willing to create a
duplication of it.
But it?s duplication. (lSHACC-10, 6009C14) 7 . ability to communicate
with
an
isness. The ability to conceive an is-ness and communicate with it. (
17ACC-4,
5702C28) 8. havingness is the concept of being able to reach or not being
prevented from reaching. (SH Spec 126, 6203C29) 9 . the need to have
terminals and things to play for and on. (Dn 55!, p. 137) Abbr. Hav.]
*What are my wins/realizations?*
Was I ever angry while doing trom? No! Sad? No!
Depressed? No! Any emotion? Nada!
Only yawning, yawning and more yawning.
I guess I will have no wins (realizations) until I
move out of yawning (unconsciousness) and reach the
lowest levels of the tone scale.
Isn't that an excellent cognition?
Give yourself a VWD.
*What's next?*
For 2017 my goal would be 200 hours which would put me
at 400 hours of trom altogether.
My auditor said that a preclear needs 450 hours
on average to get to scientology clear, so I am willing
to put in that much effort. Dennis said that completion
of level 3 results in a higher state than Clear and even OT8,
so it would be stupid of me to think that 50 or 100 hours
of level 2 processing would get me above Clear.
I hope I will have the willpower and endurance, maybe I will
decrease my goal back to just a 100 hours ... will see.
Problem is: I still yawn (my mouth is open) for about
90 % of the auditing time, my nose still runs, and very often
I have to sleep/nap after 1 hour of trom auditing.
If I don't sleep oftentimes I'm completely useless for the
rest of the day. (and yes, I tried with RI ... did not help)
When you compare Scientology auditing with any self-help therapy
in order to estimate a time span which is necessary to achieve
the same results consider the following:
a) Estimates for yourself are very inaccurate because you have
to place your case within a very broad bandwidth of case-states.
Such an estimation is liable to introduce large error-factors in
your calculation.
b) The progress toward higher states of consciousness is not a
linear curve. It often happen in jumps of different sizes.
Usually they get larger as soon as you have found out of the
thick mire.
c) It is not fair to compare a self-clearing tech with one that
is administered by a professional therapist. That would be the
same as comparing the performance of an automobile to a bicycle.
You have to make compromises if you want to make it solely on
your own or you want to save money. As they say: "Time is money."
d) Out of own experience and what I've learned from others I can
tell this:
If one relies exclusively on processing in order to progress as
a being, the progress will be slow and you're liable to grind to
a halt somewhere. It was not only for their stats' sake when
the registrars of the church recommended to not neglect the
study/training path on the bridge.
I guess I've always made more progress by assimilating knowledge
than by processing. Both together are an extremely powerful team -
more than just the sum of each.
Did it ever occur to you that the manifestations (GIs or VGIs,
F/N, cognitions and case gain) are actually the same no matter if
they are derived from processing or study? Interesting, isn't it.
So, if you want a recommendation, I suggest devote some of your
schedule to study. Oh, and do not forget to live :-)
Any comment or encouragement is very welcome!
Good Tromming, Vorb
Best regards
Robin
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:42:14 -0800
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
To: trom@lists.newciv.org
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Vorb's Trom Diary at 200 hours
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Hi Vorb
In your study and auditing at level five have you figured out the games
you are playing in life and begun to recognize when others are trying to
get you to play a role in their game?
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:53:22 +0100
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
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Subject: [TROM1] Replay B60
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Sent*Saturday 12th of November 2016*
by *ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk*(Antony Phillips)
This begins with the reminder of how things were in those days with
regard to viruses. I expect everybody on this list as an antivirus
program, the modern answer.
Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some
data (like addresses)is liable to be inaccurate.
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 21:02:06 +0200
To: tro...@newciv.org
From: Antony Phillips <i...@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: [trom-L] Replay B60
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last sent: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:30:44 +0200
WARNING: If your receive an .exe. file by email from me (or anyone
else) do not run it. I received happy99.exe from a friend. As I felt I
trusted her, I opened it. Saw a firewoirk display. Later I sent a
message to a list I was member of, and found happy99.exe had also been
sent, in a seperate email, but with the same subject from me! It is a
worm.
Data can be found on:
http://beta.nai.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/w32ska.htm
and
http://www.avp.com/happy/body_happy.html
I also received the following handling procedure:
****************'
Removal and Protection
If the worm is detected in your system you can easy get rid of it just
by
deleting SKA.EXE and
SKA.DLL files in the system Windows directory. You also should delete
the
WSOCK32.DLL
file and replace it with WSOCK32.SKA original file. The original
HAPPY99.EXE file should
be also located and deleted.
To protect your computer from re-infection you need just to set
Read-Only attribute for the
WSOCK32.DLL file. The worm does not pay attention to Read-Only mode, and
fails to patch the file. This trick was discovered by Peter Szor at
DataFellows
http://www.datafellows.com
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Excuse the harsh beginning - it is wise to be wise before hand. Not,
like me, an unsusecting victim and passer on to others.
Here is the replay!
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Subject: meter/computer interface
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:33:58 +0200
From: Antony Phillips <i...@post8.tele.dk>
Organization: International Viewpoints
To: tro...@newciv.org, ivy-subscrib...@lightlink.com
CC: vacuumst...@compuserve.com, n...@mindwalker.co.uk
For those of you interested in meters connected to computers, the
following message appeared on:
========
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Subject: new product
From: ra...@hilton.org (Ralph Hilton)
Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:45:48 -0400
On 23 Sep 1998 02:23:48 -0400, in alt.clearing.technology
n...@mindwalker.co.uk
(Nic Ford) wrote:
>Press release (or should it be net release?)
>
>My website now contains details and a downloadable file for the new
meter
>computer interface.
>
>Regards, Nic Ford
>
>Nic Ford
>The Computer Film Company
>
The URL is http://www.mindwalker.co.uk/compinterface.htm
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All best wishes,
Ant
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Ralph Hilton
http://Ralph.Hilton.org
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