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David,

a) e.g. the whole NED (Routine 3R) is all about finding the postulate(s)
made by the PC at the chain's basic.

b) "Postulate Processing" had been developed around 1951
   (“Postulate Processing,” in the D.A.B., December, 1951.)
In short:
Postulate Processing (also known as Decision Processing)
is a procedure that involves the re-examination of non-survival decisions
which the preclear has made.
In any experience of pain or loss, the preclear makes one or more
decisions about himself. Frequently these decisions are equivalent, in
one way or another, to giving up responsibility and causation.
They are, therefore, non-survival decisions.
In itself the procedure had been found to be limited. But together
with Creative Processing it is beneficial.

c) Quote from Tech. Dict.:
POSTULATE PROCESSING, 1. that processing which addresses the
postulates, evaluations and conclusions of the preclear at the level of self-
determined thought, yet postulate processing has some value when addressed
to stimulus-response ideas. Postulate processing is the primary and highest
method of processing a thetan. With creative processing, it constitutes Scn 8-
8008 . (Scn 8-8008, p. 37) 2. the process or any process which permits an
individual to change his postulates. (PDC 37)


best

Robin

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Good thread.


1.  Re: the deletion of (or clearing of) undesirable, unwanted, false and
limiting  postulates or implants.


In my experience, that may be the biggest challenge in any clearing process.


I once read where someone said that he checked all through scn  and could
not find any tech to effectively delete such unwanted data, in other words
there is no tech to get rid of unwanted postulates.


I have not been though  all scn data, so I do not know if that is correct
or not.

If someone  knows different,  please post accordingly.





2. But what has puzzled me for many yrs, is that according to scn data:


are the four abilities of a thetan.



The only two of which I can remember at this moment are, and of which are
important for me to make my point:

1.

2.

3. can bring things into  existence.

4. can take things out of existence.



(Someone who knows what the other two are, please fill in the blanks.)



If number 4  is correct,  then that ability should be able to be used to
get rid of postulates, and if so, how could that ability be use to get of
postulates?




David










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Hi Vorb,

interesting account. Please find below some remarks interspersed into
your text.


I just finished another 50 hours of TROM auditing, so it's time to
report it :)

You can read my previous reports here:
100 hours: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-March/005194.html 150 hours: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-August/005376.html
200 hours: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-November/005538.
html

When doing TROM, it seems that every 20-30 hours there is a change of
auditing characteristics in my case. So this 50 hours can also be broken
into 2 different parts. I will write a definite time, but these things
start to happen unnoticed by me, and go into full effect in 5-10 hours.


TROM From 200 - 225 hours
First of all I'm still yawning like crazy, about 80-90% of the time.
Almost immediately after I wrote my last report, there was a change.
What I was doing was level 5, put the postulates into the wall,


Vorb, you say "postulates" (plural). If you talking about more than one
line in the PFCC (Postulate Failure Cycle Chart) then this is correct.
But if you mean only one particular line of the chart then it makes no
sense to put _all_ the involved postulates into the wall or wherever.
You should strictly distinguish those both postulates involved in any
single line of the chart: One is the postulate you make (that's the class of SELF) and the other one is your opponent's postulate (that's the class of NOT SELF respectively the class of OTHER). Dennis' suggests to put the
OTHER's postulate into the wall or into any location which is not your
location. This is a trick to make it easier for you to not mix up the
postulate at your side with the postulate at the OTHER's side. Therefore
you would only place the OTHER's postulate in the wall - or wherever.
While you make your own postulate right where _you_ are - just as you would
do in real life. You should keep them strictly apart from each other.
Apart in terms of location and as well in regard of ownership.
I refer you to Dennis' tape where he explains step by step how to go
through the chart (the first four chart-lines).

wait until events show up, then immediately drop down to level 2 and
timebreak them, but in this period I could no longer timebreak events.
Whenever and event showed up, and I tried to timebreak it, the yawning
stopped and soon I wandered away. So after many hours I completely given
up on trying to timebreak. I was just running level 5, put out some
postulates, and just see the myriad of events/faces/sounds that come
one after the other.


Ok, and all those things that show up, be it images, feelings, emotions
should be timebroken.

This kept my yawning the whole time. Interesting
to note, that those events were not necessary the contents of my memory.
An example: I'm running the I must know leg,


This would be four lines of the chart. The Leg is #3, the lines are:
3A, 3B, 4A, 4B. Right?

and just imagine situations
when I am saying to somebody: Why don't you tell me, in different tones
(like saying it angrily, sadly, etc). So oftentimes I was just imagining
situations, but the yawning was just coming, so I continued. Of course
I also run a lot of memories of mine.


To be sure: Do you actively "imagine situations" or make up that
inner dialogues here? Or do they kind of pop-up while you hold the both
postulates in suspension?
Please keep in mind that L5 is about postulates only. You do not run
incidents
or mock up things knowingly. This might be unusual compared to other
auditing
styles. Again I refer you to the L5 tape. Certainly, when something comes up, anything that the bank might hand you out, you would time brake it bit
by
bit; or as a whole - if you up to it. But that is quite different from what you do when you mock something up or make deliberately contact to e.g. an engram or whatever it may be on your track. I'm only mentioning this to be
sure we know what we're talking about.

TROM from 225-250 hours (and still going on)
I got angry in sessions, but I was still yawning. This was the worst.
In the last 2 months I managed to increase my daily TROM time from
1 hour/day to 2 hours/day. Well, I had to give that up. Feeling the
anger for 1 hour totally depleted me emotionally.
I started to yell
and shout during sessions, just to release that energy somehow.


What about RI? Ok, subjective RI does not work well with some people.
It's a limited process. Perhaps you simply try with havingness which
involves physical action. E.g. take a walk, run, any other sport, clean
your
home, hug trees, ...

Interesting that any person I was running I got angry with him/her.


Do not expect that there is logic in the reactive mind. It will
fall apart sooner or later.

The need to timebreak returned and it worked again. Hell there was
an event I was timebreaking for almost 3 hours, which brings me
to another change: perception. I just noticed that all the time
before, I wasn't viewing the events from my viewpoint but from an
exterior point. As soon as I started to view the event from how
I actually saw it, the yawning and the anger go much stronger.
Also perceptions got better, seeing more details, actually hearing people
smelling odors returned to me.


Great!

I don't claim to have photographic
memory, I'm very far from there, but when I timebreak and event, after
some time there may come an increase in perception, which forces more
yawning and more anger. So I have to repeat timebreaking as many
times as new perceptions come in.
My auditor says, that this is very good. My ability to confront increases so my reactive mind now throws up the next emotional level after boredom which is anger. So next should come fear, terror and then sadness and so on. I'm traveling down the tone scale. I never thought about it that way.


I agree only so far with the above, as within a short period of time e.g.
inside a session a drop in tone is acceptable. Those minus emotions
mentioned
above can and will certainly occur occasionally. But if such a decline
down-
scale happens over a period of sessions there is something terribly wrong. Antagonism (2.0) is actually high relative to society's tone. It represents
the pivot point on the scale. Below a being goes towards succumb, above
towards survival.

That's about it for now.
Since I moved back to 1 hour/day my next 50 hours will probably take 2-3
months to complete, unless I learn to confront anger more.

Any comments / advices are welcome!

Until then, happy tromming everybody:
The Vorb



Best wishes

Robin
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