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Thank you for posting that. Have you been able to make that axiom work? If so how? And what were the results? David On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:39 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Hi David > The book "The Creation of Human Ability" contains a list of self evident > truths derived from the "Logics and Axioms". > > Item 16 is > > 16. COMPLETE DESTRUCTION IS ACCOMPLISHED BY THE POSTULATION OF THE AS- IS- > NESS OF ANY EXISTENCE AND THE PARTS THEREOF. > > > So Hubbard did present a method to un-mock a postulate. > > The book is downloadable as a pdf here: > > http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology%20Materials/Books/ > 1954%20CREATION%20OF%20HUMAN%20ABILITY.pdf > > Sincerely > > Pete McLaughlin > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 12, 2017, at 7:16 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < > trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > > > Good thread. > > > 1. Re: the deletion of (or clearing of) undesirable, unwanted, false and > limiting postulates or implants. > > > In my experience, that may be the biggest challenge in any clearing > process. > > > I once read where someone said that he checked all through scn and could > not find any tech to effectively delete such unwanted data, in other words > there is no tech to get rid of unwanted postulates. > > > I have not been though all scn data, so I do not know if that is correct > or not. > > If someone knows different, please post accordingly. > > > > > > 2. But what has puzzled me for many yrs, is that according to scn data: > > > are the four abilities of a thetan. > > > > The only two of which I can remember at this moment are, and of which are > important for me to make my point: > > 1. > > 2. > > 3. can bring things into existence. > > 4. can take things out of existence. > > > > (Someone who knows what the other two are, please fill in the blanks.) > > > > If number 4 is correct, then that ability should be able to be used to > get rid of postulates, and if so, how could that ability be use to get of > postulates? > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:23 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < > trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> Hi Vorb, >> >> interesting account. Please find below some remarks interspersed into >> your text. >> >> >> I just finished another 50 hours of TROM auditing, so it's time to >>> report it :) >>> >>> You can read my previous reports here: >>> 100 hours: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-March/005194.html >>> 150 hours: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-August/005376.ht >>> ml >>> 200 hours: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/2016-November/005538. >>> html >>> >>> When doing TROM, it seems that every 20-30 hours there is a change of >>> auditing characteristics in my case. So this 50 hours can also be broken >>> into 2 different parts. I will write a definite time, but these things >>> start to happen unnoticed by me, and go into full effect in 5-10 hours. >>> >>> >>> TROM From 200 - 225 hours >>> First of all I'm still yawning like crazy, about 80-90% of the time. >>> Almost immediately after I wrote my last report, there was a change. >>> What I was doing was level 5, put the postulates into the wall, >>> >> >> Vorb, you say "postulates" (plural). If you talking about more than one >> line in the PFCC (Postulate Failure Cycle Chart) then this is correct. >> But if you mean only one particular line of the chart then it makes no >> sense to put _all_ the involved postulates into the wall or wherever. >> You should strictly distinguish those both postulates involved in any >> single line of the chart: One is the postulate you make (that's the class >> of SELF) and the other one is your opponent's postulate (that's the class >> of NOT SELF respectively the class of OTHER). Dennis' suggests to put the >> OTHER's postulate into the wall or into any location which is not your >> location. This is a trick to make it easier for you to not mix up the >> postulate at your side with the postulate at the OTHER's side. Therefore >> you would only place the OTHER's postulate in the wall - or wherever. >> While you make your own postulate right where _you_ are - just as you >> would >> do in real life. You should keep them strictly apart from each other. >> Apart in terms of location and as well in regard of ownership. >> I refer you to Dennis' tape where he explains step by step how to go >> through the chart (the first four chart-lines). >> >> wait until events show up, then immediately drop down to level 2 and >>> timebreak them, but in this period I could no longer timebreak events. >>> Whenever and event showed up, and I tried to timebreak it, the yawning >>> stopped and soon I wandered away. So after many hours I completely given >>> up on trying to timebreak. I was just running level 5, put out some >>> postulates, and just see the myriad of events/faces/sounds that come >>> one after the other. >>> >> >> Ok, and all those things that show up, be it images, feelings, emotions >> should be timebroken. >> >> This kept my yawning the whole time. Interesting >>> to note, that those events were not necessary the contents of my memory. >>> An example: I'm running the I must know leg, >>> >> >> This would be four lines of the chart. The Leg is #3, the lines are: >> 3A, 3B, 4A, 4B. Right? >> >> and just imagine situations >>> when I am saying to somebody: Why don't you tell me, in different tones >>> (like saying it angrily, sadly, etc). So oftentimes I was just imagining >>> situations, but the yawning was just coming, so I continued. Of course >>> I also run a lot of memories of mine. >>> >> >> To be sure: Do you actively "imagine situations" or make up that >> inner dialogues here? Or do they kind of pop-up while you hold the both >> postulates in suspension? >> Please keep in mind that L5 is about postulates only. You do not run >> incidents >> or mock up things knowingly. This might be unusual compared to other >> auditing >> styles. Again I refer you to the L5 tape. Certainly, when something comes >> up, anything that the bank might hand you out, you would time brake it >> bit by >> bit; or as a whole - if you up to it. But that is quite different from >> what >> you do when you mock something up or make deliberately contact to e.g. an >> engram or whatever it may be on your track. I'm only mentioning this to be >> sure we know what we're talking about. >> >> TROM from 225-250 hours (and still going on) >>> I got angry in sessions, but I was still yawning. This was the worst. >>> In the last 2 months I managed to increase my daily TROM time from >>> 1 hour/day to 2 hours/day. Well, I had to give that up. Feeling the >>> anger for 1 hour totally depleted me emotionally. >>> I started to yell >>> and shout during sessions, just to release that energy somehow. >>> >> >> What about RI? Ok, subjective RI does not work well with some people. >> It's a limited process. Perhaps you simply try with havingness which >> involves physical action. E.g. take a walk, run, any other sport, clean >> your >> home, hug trees, ... >> >> Interesting that any person I was running I got angry with him/her. >>> >> >> Do not expect that there is logic in the reactive mind. It will >> fall apart sooner or later. >> >> The need to timebreak returned and it worked again. Hell there was >>> an event I was timebreaking for almost 3 hours, which brings me >>> to another change: perception. I just noticed that all the time >>> before, I wasn't viewing the events from my viewpoint but from an >>> exterior point. As soon as I started to view the event from how >>> I actually saw it, the yawning and the anger go much stronger. >>> Also perceptions got better, seeing more details, actually hearing people >>> smelling odors returned to me. >>> >> >> Great! >> >> I don't claim to have photographic >>> memory, I'm very far from there, but when I timebreak and event, after >>> some time there may come an increase in perception, which forces more >>> yawning and more anger. So I have to repeat timebreaking as many >>> times as new perceptions come in. >>> My auditor says, that this is very good. My ability to confront increases >>> so my reactive mind now throws up the next emotional level after boredom >>> which is anger. So next should come fear, terror and then sadness and so >>> on. I'm traveling down the tone scale. I never thought about it that way. >>> >> >> I agree only so far with the above, as within a short period of time e.g. >> inside a session a drop in tone is acceptable. Those minus emotions >> mentioned >> above can and will certainly occur occasionally. But if such a decline >> down- >> scale happens over a period of sessions there is something terribly wrong. >> Antagonism (2.0) is actually high relative to society's tone. It >> represents >> the pivot point on the scale. Below a being goes towards succumb, above >> towards survival. >> >> That's about it for now. >>> Since I moved back to 1 hour/day my next 50 hours will probably take 2-3 >>> months to complete, unless I learn to confront anger more. >>> >>> Any comments / advices are welcome! >>> >>> Until then, happy tromming everybody: >>> The Vorb >>> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> Robin >> _______________________________________________ >> TROM mailing list >> TROM@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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