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1. Postulates (2) - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 147)
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2. Re: Postulates (2) - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 147)
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3. Re: Fwd: Vorb's Trom Diary at 250 hours: The raging yawn -
(The Resolution of Mind list)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:55:07 +0100
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
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Subject: [TROM1] Postulates (2) - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 147)
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I have been doing that on different issues for years, and I can't say
I have had success.
David
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David, Pete, anyone concerned,
most of the misunderstandings and questions about postulates do easily
resolve when you just look thoroughly at a couple of definitions.
Below you find the most important ones regarding the subject of
postulates, already brought into meaningful sequence:
[POSTULATE, n. 1. a self-created truth would be simply the consideration
generated by self. Well, we just borrow the word which is in seldom use
in
the
English language, we call that postulate. And we mean by postulate,
selfcreated
truth. He posts something. He puts something up and that?s what a
postulate is. (HPC A6-4, 5608C--) 2. a postulate is, of course, that
thing
which is a directed desire or order, or inhibition, or enforcement, on
the
part
of the individual in the form of an idea. (2ACC 23A, 5312CM14) 3 . that
self determined thought which starts, stops or changes past, present or
future
efforts.
(APIA, p. 33) 4 . is actually a prediction. (5112CM30B)?v. 1 . in Scn the
word
postulate means to cause a thinkingness or consideration. It is a
specially
applied word and is defined as causative thinkingness. (FOT, p. 71) 2 .
to
conclude, decide or resolve a problem or to set a pattern for the future
or to
nullify a pattern of the past. (HFP, p. 155) 3 . to generate or ?think? a
concept. A postulate infers conditions and actions rather than just plain
thinks. It has a dynamic connotation. (SH Spec 84, 6612C13)]
There are a couple of flavors of postulates:
[OPPOSITE POSTULATE, an individual who has made a postulate on a subject
experiences "failure" when he has to make an opposite postulate later.
The
opposite postulate has the effect of a negative postulate. The opposite
postulate is distinguished from a negative postulate because it depends
upon
effort which a negative postulate does not necessarily have to do. (AP&A,
P.
34)]
(The above may be of special interest for those people who are concerned
with TROM.)
[NEGATIVE POSTULATE, the postulate not to be. It cancels past postulates
and it also cancels, in greater or lesser degree, the entire individual.
(AP&A,
p. 34)]
[PAST POSTULATES, decisions or conclusions the preclear has made in the
past
and to which he is still subjected in the present. Past postulates are
uniformly
invalid since they cannot resolve present environment. (NFP Gloss)]
This is not a definition per se, but an applicable notion:
"The universe consists of life and postulates" - DHS
Now, we are legitimate to substitute "life" with "theta".
They are not precisely synonymous but never the less we can get
some sense out of: "The Universe consists of Theta and postulates."
Actually it answers a question, you David, recently posed.
It was the question regarding what a Thetan can do, what his
abilities are.
The list of a Thetan's abilities is rather short. It contains
one item only:
A Thetan postulates
Well, does not look too impressive. But look again. This single
item covers it all.
Now see the Scale Of Reality:
[SCALE OF REALITY, 1. the reality scale refers to the individual?s hold
on
reality and his agreement with others on what reality is. (NOTL, p. 103)
2
. at
the bottom there is nothing, above that there is a communication line,
the
line
becomes more solid, then above that terminals begin to materialize
lightly
and
the line becomes less solid, then above that you have the terminals and
you
don?t have any lines, and above that the terminals are there mostly by
agreement, above that there is agreement, and above agreement there is
consideration, individual consideration, and above that there is
postulate.
That is the Scale of Reality. (PAB 154)]
Actually you better look at the scale upside-down.
I give it again below.
At the scales top you come close to "static". The lower you go
along the scale the more solid it gets.
You see we start from:
Postulate,
Individual Consideration,
Consideration,
Agreement,
Terminals, ... the different flavors (solidities) of Communication ...
As soon as you get a grasp on the above you will realize that
it is somehow misleading or inaccurate - to say the least - to
suggest the possibility of "as-ising" a postulate. As well one could
then as-is a Thetan. A funny idea. Please do not worry, no Thetan is
in danger to be annihilated by another Thetan, or in the course of
processing through as-ising. That would make an interesting paradox.
Simply because no one who would have regained such an ability would
ever care about any Thetan or processing at all.
As well a postulate will not produce any read on a meter. Except
this one here: "This meter's needle is going to move!"
Those PC's who are already in good shape would rather move the
whole universe around the needle's pivot point instead ;-)
What makes the meter read is the effects which our postulates
create. In other words the postulate's manifestations in terms of
particles, movement, energies, masses (condensed energy), feelings,
emotions, images, charges, screens, symbols, ... you name it.
One can place a postulate into a solid - e.g. a wall. You may
or may not be able to "as-is" that wall. The postulate still remains.
Any postulate - consideration - thought (in that sequence) ever
brought forth by theta always was and always will be.
(Quiz-question: Which often used Bible-quotes says the same
in other words?)
Why is it then, that we are that much concerned with postulates in
any clearing technique which deserves to be called such?
What we have a problem with, is not the postulates itself but rather
that we can not make our postulates 'stick' - at least not in a
predictable and desirable manner.
Through the eons we came down we had put much attention and cleverness
into the activity of building enormously complex postulate structures
with tons of lies, false ownerships (valences, co-creation),
complicated mechanisms of forgettingness, blackness, dub-ins,
automaticities, machinery of all kinds, aso.
The sole purpose of processing is to reestablish some order in that
chaos. In order to entangle the postulate structures you have to
go about it in a logical manner. You put aside a lot of rubbish first
until you can see through the complex fabric.
Why do we not just postulate ourself into a perfectly unaberated,
healthy,
able state? Presumably because we did not want it that way. Would be too
easy. No fun in the game. It would constitute the same paradox
which was already mentioned further above in this text.
Therefore it does you no good if you use effort or be inpatient or
operate on false assumptions right form the beginning. False expectations
(e.g. Hidden Standards) will rather slow you down. Effort will only
add to the solidity of ones reactive mind.
[CLEARING, 1 . a gradient process of finding places where attention is
fixed and
restoring the ability of the pc to place and remove attention under his
own
determinism. (HCOB 28 Feb 59) 2 . what is clearing but regaining
awareness
that one is himself, and regaining confidence. (HCOB 1 Feb 58)]
(Emphasis on "gradient" in def.1)
Confidence in what?
In the only thing a Thetan can do :-)
Robin
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 03:56:40 -0800
From: The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org>
To: trom@lists.newciv.org
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Postulates (2) - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 147)
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Robin
You said "As soon as you get a grasp on the above you will realize that
it is somehow misleading or inaccurate - to say the least - to
suggest the possibility of "as-ising" a postulate. As well one could
then as-is a Thetan. "
What is the problem with as-using a postulate? If i made a postulate to
smoke cigarettes in the past and want to stop smoking now then the
correct way to do it is to examine, duplicate the original postulate and
as-is it at which point i will no longer smoke cigarettes. Isn't this
the way it works?
Sincerely
Pete Mclaughlin
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On Jan 22, 2017, at 12:55 AM, The Resolution of Mind list
<trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote:
As soon as you get a grasp on the above you will realize that
it is somehow misleading or inaccurate - to say the least - to
suggest the possibility of "as-ising" a postulate. As well one could
then as-is a Thetan.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:18:04 -0500
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Fwd: Vorb's Trom Diary at 250 hours: The raging
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Pete,
I do not know.
I have never smoked or did any drugs except for experimentation, and
found
it repulsive or depressing.
Never had an addiction to alcohol either, actually do not like the
effects
of alcohol.
David
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Hi David
How do you change a postulate after you have made it?
For instance if you decided to start smoking as a kid how would you go
about changing your mind and not smoking from now on?
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Thanks for your reply, Pete.
I have been doing that on different issues for years, and I can't say I
have had success.
David
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Hi David
Yes is am applying axiom 16. Any time i have an ache, pain or
mis-emotion i focus my attention on it and duplicate it, view it, see
it as
clearly as possible.
If it is a sore thumb i look at the sensations and try to visualize the
exact tissues in the thumb that are producing the pain sensation. I
look
for any incident in the past that is involved but usually there is
none so
i just focus on the painful sensation to make it as intense and the
source
of the pain as clear as possible.
Then I continue to focus on this sensation, pain , mis emotion whatever
and it will soon fade away.
Then i carry on with what task i was doing.
Muriel Chen's book is all about applying this method to a number of
situations.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Hi Pete,
Thank you for posting that.
Have you been able to make that axiom work?
If so how?
And what were the results?
David
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Hi David
The book "The Creation of Human Ability" contains a list of self
evident truths derived from the "Logics and Axioms".
Item 16 is
16. COMPLETE DESTRUCTION IS ACCOMPLISHED BY THE POSTULATION OF THE AS-
IS- NESS OF ANY EXISTENCE AND THE PARTS THEREOF.
So Hubbard did present a method to un-mock a postulate.
The book is downloadable as a pdf here:
http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology%20Materials/Books/195
4%20CREATION%20OF%20HUMAN%20ABILITY.pdf
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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