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Hi Paul,
How are you doing? I must confess I completely missed this reply you gave at the time. It probably was because the 'subject title' of your reply was identical to the one I sent so I filed it thikning it was my own. But, anyways, I luckily found it while reviewing these answers. I'll just put down your last responses and talk about how they relate to my ideas. Your quotes: "There seems to be a major occlusion that I have yet to see anyone mention. You are a body, mind and spirit and I want to narrow this by having you look at your body only because the toughest part to confront is how you or anyone has been overwhelmed through their body." (...) "Skipping down to here ... as a body, a beingness in a game with other bodies and beingnesses, what would be an overwhelm to you and also to others? I'll start you off by asking ... what about an illness like a common cold or a knock on the ol' noggin? Can a cold be an overwhelm of degree to you or someone else? Can you now come up with other overwhelms such as this? ... Good, name them." ------ Regarding the first comment, I'll avoid commenting directly on it because I've yet to get any direct reality on spiritual experiences; but I think I understand part of what you meant. Let me give my definition of a True Overwhelm (you used the term 'overwhelm of degree'), as far as Level 4 is concerned, which I got from information scattered throughout TROM: A True Overwhelm must contain 1. A Postulate failure 1. a) Over something important (Contains an absolute of 'Must' or 'Must not') 2. Adoption of an opposition postulate or of its complementary postulate 2. a) some part or the whole of this postulate shift goes out of conscious recall 3. I'm supposing by the commands of L4 there's some distinguishable sensation/emotion/clue specific to it Regarding your 'getting a cold' example: For a bad cold you would feel incapable of being cause of some sort, because your body is overwhelming you with pain and tiredness + the threat of worsening - this would be the postulate failure part - but for it to be a true overwhelm it would have to cause a shift of beliefs also. I tried to come up with an example of this below: For a normal person in decent tone range you'd need a really bad cold or a long sequence of colds to have an overwhelm, like this: "For some reason I feel like I can't become an athlete as I always wanted because it seems I'm too susceptible to colds; or because being an athlete is causing me colds and threatening my body's well being" - so I decide I won't be an athlete anymore. For a really low tone person one simple cold could be overwhelming or perhaps even kill him. Another example would be being rejected by a women, 'feeling terrible' and generalizing that you can't be attractive to women or some type of women. (not sure whether this is totally a mental overwhelm) Are these the type of examples you meant? And finally, I'm sorry if I'm trampling your thought order but is what you're trying to say that one should focus on physical-body overwhelms first and how that feels? And how or through which devices would a spiritual being be overwhelmed through his body and such? 2017-02-10 6:17 GMT-02:00 The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org >: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Hi Marcus, > > > On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:16 PM, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for the answer. > > I tried to answer your questions as best as I could, below. :) > > > Hi Marcus, >> >> Kind of weird? Not for me. I call it Magic. A part of my life now is >> one of both summoning or responding to another when communication is >> desired by myself or the other party although no physical communication has >> taken place. It even happens to others who are with me and they come up >> with a desired communication to or from another. It's some kind of >> communication facility that I picked up. >> > > Yes I wanted to point out this coincidence; just in case it was not a > coincidence for you. :D > > >> >> Now to your questions on Level 4. I didn't get what is going on with >> your processing and didn't get a certainty of what your questions are. But >> I have what I feel is very pertinent to this Level. Dennis does not talk >> about or have one consider which overwhelms are the ones that one should go >> after and clean up. I spent some time considering 'What overwhelms should >> one look for to run out'. There are several classes. There are both >> mental and physical overwhelms and of course with the 8 commands there are >> the overwhelms from others and those from oneself. There are also degrees >> of overwhelm. For now I would just look into those overwhelms that have >> occurred in a physical universe and choose those overwhelms which would be >> the most overwhelming and have the most adverse affect on you. Also look >> at those from other times and other universes. >> >> > I basically havent got anything which was occluded from me by doing level > 4 on my own; this is my main problem. > > > There seems to be a major occlusion that I have yet to see anyone > mention. You are a body, mind and spirit and I want to narrow this by > having you look at your body only because the toughest part to confront is > how you or anyone has been overwhelmed through their body. > > > I figured it is because I can't pin down the exact intended way for how > these commands should be run, or how one should go about for *getting the > concept* of 'forced to know' and such. > > I started trying to use the original command "get the idea of ....". No > results. Then I tried bringing forth and intensifying examples of universal > situations which would fit into the concepts infliction, rejection, > revelation, deprivation. No results. Then I went back to words but now I'd > be always questioning the commands and wondering if I was missing some > definition or auditing law; it kind of got worse. > > I'm also not excluding the possibility that I'm invalidating too much and > that maybe I just need someone to tell me I'm exaggerating or being > premature and need to do more RI or persist with the original command. This > has worked for me in the past, indeed. > > > Skipping down to here ... as a body, a beingness in a game with other > bodies and beingnesses, what would be an overwhelm to you and also to > others? I'll start you off by asking ... what about an illness like a > common cold or a knock on the ol' noggin? Can a cold be an overwhelm of > degree to you or someone else? Can you now come up with other overwhelms > such as this? ... Good, name them. > > > >> My question to you is ... What overwhelm(s) would you be the most effect >> of and have been the most effect of? >> > > I'm not sure what you meant by 'most' - degree, amount, extent? > > Assuming a combination of those three factors, I'd take a guess that the > overwhelm which most pursues me would be 'forced to be known' - probably > both in DOINGNESS and BEINGNESS; and it is also to some extent the root of > other overts I suffer and cause. (I use the word overt for something that > could be an overwhelm or something milder) > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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