� David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH: > > I probably hear about it much more than you do > > because of my belief in the BofM.� Most folks > > don't have any interest in knowing if Jesus visited > > the Americas, because it would be beyond the > > scope of the Bible and just cause a lot of unanswerable > > (without considering the pertinence of the BofM) > > questions. > > I have a very keen interest in this, DAVEH:� LOL......I think you are an odd Protestant duck, DavidM! > as well as an interest in whether Jesus > visited India before his adulthood ministry in Israel, but I'm not going to > believe such theories on face value without checking them out.� People can > make up all kinds of stories.� I think you might confuse "lack of interest" > with "incredulous rejection." DAVEH:� Perhaps, but I've heard Glenn say "I don't care about XXXXXXXXX yea or nea.�� I have absolutely no interest in it." too often to not think other Protestants feel the same way. > DaveH wrote: > > Jesus said....... > > "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold: them also > > I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be > > one fold and one shepherd."� Jn 10:16 > > ...........which I believe is referring to his visit recorded in the > > BofM.� The Lord says as much in 3Nep 15......... > > [21] And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I said: > > Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must > > bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, > > and one shepherd. > > [22] And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been > > the Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should > > be converted through their preaching. > > [23] And they understood me not that I said they shall hear my > > voice; and they understood me not that the Gentiles should > > not at any time hear my voice -- that I should not manifest myself > > unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost. > > So does this mean that Joseph Smith never heard the voice of Jesus? DAVEH:� As you very well know, he claims to have heard the Lord. > �Joe was > a Gentile.� According to this passage, it seems like it would be impossible > for Joe Smith to have heard the voice of Jesus. DAVEH:� While JS heard his voice (as may have other gentiles), the other sheep not of that 'fold' Jesus was referring to was not a gentile fold as 3Nephi pointed out.� When Jesus made that comment, what 'others' outside the Israelite realm would have been considered as sheep who were waiting for their shepherd?� Others of God's covenant would seemingly fit that description.� The Jews represented but one of 12 tribes, and would you not think the other tribes would have deserved to have been ministered to by the Lord as well?� Would they not have been looking for (and expecting) their Messiah's forthcoming visit? > DaveH wrote: > > ...Now Laura, to me......that is why I disagree with your comment..... > > "something doesn't compute".� To me, it would be logical that the > > Lord came to the House of Israel and visited more than just the > > Jewish contingent of it located in the vicinity of Jerusalem while > > ignoring those elsewhere. > > Jesus said in Matthew 15:24, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the > house of Israel." DAVEH:� Which agrees with my explanation.� To paraphrase.......he was only sent (by his Father, IMO) to to the house of Israel.� Is that the way you understand that passage, DavidM?� Jesus didn't come to the gentiles.....he came to the house of Israel.� He didn't go out of his way to preach to the gentiles when he was in mortality.� His ministry was directed to the Israelites.� The Jews were only a part of that ministry. > �Mormons teach, "it would be logical that the Lord ... > visited more than just the Jewish contingent ... [not] ignoring those > elsewhere."� I agree with Laura, that the Mormon teaching does not compute > because it contradicts the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the Bible. DAVEH:� I guess I missed your point.� How does that contradict the Bible?� Jesus only came to the house of Israel, of which the Jews were only part. > How can the passage you quote above possibly make sense to you?� Don't you > recognize the anachronistic nature of this passage in the book of Mormon? > Here you quote a passage from 3 Nephi, supposedly written around 34 A.D., > that suggests that the Jewish apostles thought that Jesus meant the Gentiles > would be converted.� Yet, the apostles did not learn about the door opening > to the Gentiles until several years later. DAVEH:� I disagree........Mt 28:19's comment about preaching to "all nations" was not referring to gentile nations?� Mk 16:15 & 20 did not mean preaching to the gentiles?� And Lk 24:27......did that not infer they were to preach the gospel to all nations?�� It seems to me the apostles knew about the Lord's wish to have the gospel spread to the gentiles just as he was about to depart this world and not sooner.� As Mt 15:24 demonstrates, it was not Jesus' mission to directly minister to the gentiles, but that duty was relegated to the apostles upon Christ's death. > �How can you reconcile this > without concluding that someone in the 19th century named Joseph Smith, who > knew about the later events, wrote it into the passage?� Where does Jesus > make any such kind of statements within the four gospel accounts? DAVEH:� You are losing me again on this, DavidM.� Which statement?� Furthermore, why do you think that ALL statements (doctrines or theological concepts) are (or should be) recorded in the Gospels?� If a concept is not found there, it hardly means that it is irrelevant. > Peace be with you. > David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ � ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
