Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.

[Marlin Halverson]

Michael D:  It is important to understand that In the new covenant there is no Sabbath day. There is a sabbath, but not a Sabbath day. So, sabbath day is not every day of the week as you are questioning, nor is it Saturday or any other day. Then what day is it that Jesus is Lord of????????????????????????? MAT 12:8    {For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.} MAR 2:28    {Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.} LUK 6:5     And he said unto them, {That the Son of man is Lord also of the             sabbath.} I think you are trying to change the word of God.  There are other types of Sabbaths, of the Land for instance, the Jubilee, and a millennial Sabbath can be deduced.  How can you have a close "relationship" to God and do away with His commandments? Since when does obedience become evil?  Do not fall into the trickery of the decietful workers of iniquity [lawlwessness].  Keepers of the law do not sin, "...for sin is the transgression of the law."  (1JO 3:4).  Therefore, law keepers are under grace. ROM 6:14    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the             law, but under grace. Law breakers are not under grace, for "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law..." (1JO 3:4)  Sin has dominion over them, not God.  Oh whom do you want to serve?  Sin or God?  Choose. ROM 6:16    Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his             servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of             obedience unto righteousness? If you want to sin, serve Satan; he is your god.  All these silly arguments are for those who want to worship on the day of the Sun god.  Notice: LUK 13:27   {But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart             from me, all ye workers of iniquity.} LUK 13:28   {There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see             Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom             of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out.} MAT 19:17   And he said unto him, {Why callest thou me good? [there is] none             good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life,             keep the commandments.} 1JO 5:2     By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God,             and keep his commandments. 1JO 5:3     For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his             commandments are not grievous. REV 12:17   And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with             the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and             have the testimony of Jesus Christ. REV 14:12   Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the             commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. --Marlin ----- Original Message ----- From: michael douglas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.  Marlin Halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, let me ask you if you are open to me showing you that the seventh day > Sabbath commandment was also a shadow. Are you willing to consider > Scripture and arguments to consider this? My position is that the seventh > day Sabbath was a shadow. Your position is that it was not a shadow. > Correct? > > David Miller As a shadow, God's presence is in it, a holy day, set aside for fellowshipping with Him. It is a shadow of God's coming dwelling with men in His millennial reign, as well as His dwelling with us in Spirit now. But we must also work the six days, so the same fellowship is not possible on the days He has not sanctified as holy. Are you willing to consider that the Sabbath is the seventh day? Are you willing to consider that the fourth commandment is about working the six days that precede it? Trying to say it is "every day" is an idea of men, invented because they refuse God's clear commandment and want to meet on the venerable day of Sun worship. --Marlin Michael D:  It is important to understand that In the new covenant there is no Sabbath day. There is a sabbath, but not a Sabbath day. So, sabbath day is not every day of the week as you are questioning, nor is it Saturday or any other day. It is a relationship of rest in Jesus by faith. We cease from our own works for righteousness, and become children of God by faith in Jesus, appropriating His work for us on the cross. I realize that this concept has been very difficult for you to grasp, but it is the Word of the new covenant. Again, Paul says that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law... Rom 3... Marlin, do you consider yourself to be under the law?   With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs