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Marlin: You keep the law. Do you make animal
sacrifices?
Terry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:35
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship
between Torah observance and eternal life.
1CO 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as
a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to
them
that are under the law, as under the law, that I might
gain
them that are under the law;
1CO 9:21 To them that are
without law, as without law, (being not
without
law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I
might gain
them
that are without law.
1CO 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would
not that ye should be ignorant,
how
that
all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed
through
the sea;
1CO 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the
cloud and in the sea;
1CO 10:3 And did all eat the same
spiritual meat;
1CO 10:4 And did all drink the same
spiritual drink: for they drank of
that
spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1CO
10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for
they
were
overthrown in the wilderness.
1CO 10:6 Now
these things were our examples, to the intent we should
not
lust
after evil things, as they also lusted.
1CO
10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as [were] some of them; as it
is
written,
The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1CO
10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them
committed,
and
fell
in one day three and twenty thousand.
1CO 10:9 Neither
let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and
were
destroyed of serpents.
1CO 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of
them also murmured, and
were
destroyed of the destroyer.
1CO 10:11 Now all these
things happened unto them for ensamples: and they
are
written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world
are
come.
1CO 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh
he standeth take heed lest he fall.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah
observance and eternal life.
> David:
>
> Itruly appreciate your taking the time to make these comments, but I
am not
> under the law so they don't help too much. I no longer
walk in condemnation
> because I have made Jesus my Lord, and He has
forgiven my sins. I agonize
> over even the tiny sins, if there is
such a thing, because I hate to
> disappoint my savior, not because of
any fear of Hell.
>
> Before I was married, I was involved in
adultery on more than one occasion.
> Fornication was a normal part of
life. I straightened up as far as the
> actual acts were
concerned, when I got married, but the thoughts were often
> still
there. I drank heavily right up until the day I surrendered my
life
> to Christ, and was often legally drunk. Back in my youth I
stole car parts
> off other cars to keep mine running. I smoked
for twenty years even though
> my wife hated it. I was not a nice
person, just a good ol' boy. When I met
> my savior at the age of
forty-seven I gladly put all that behind me. I was
> born
again. It was no problem. The Holy Spirit gave me the desire and
the
> ability to do His will instead of my will. Sometimes there
is the
> temptation to think that I have come a long way, that God must
be at least
> satisfied with me, if not pleased, and yet I know without
a doubt I am a
> sinner. A lightweight sinner compared to the old
days to be sure, but a
> sinner none the less. I know it, and am
working on it
>
> A while back, I needed a quadruple
bypass. I had been informed by the
> surgeon that I might not
survive the operation. After he left and I was
> alone, waiting to
be wheeled into surgery, I prayed. My prayer was "Lord,
> your
will be done". I meant that prayer. If I were not saved, my
prayer
> would have been a selfish plea for healing, my will, not
His, The Holy
> Spirit may not always be apparent in my life, but
He is always resident in
> my heart, in spite of sometimes dropping the
ball. I do not agree with some
> of what you say, but I will not
have to answer to you, so that is not a real
> problem. Thanks for
trying.
>
> Terry
>
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
relationship between Torah observance and
> eternal life.
>
>
> > Terry wrote:
> > > I am not one of the
children of Isreal (Lev.27:34).
> > > I am not under the law, but
grace. I have never even
> > > sacrificed a calf.
>
>
> > You do not have to be a child of Israel to be under
law. Being under law
> is
> > a state of mind. Most
Christians are under law, even those who declare
> that
> > the
law of Moses has been annulled.
> >
> > Terry wrote:
>
> > As for Romans 7, I have read it, but never really studied
it.
> > > Please tell me what you think it says in terms a three
year
> > > old could understand. Maybe I can benefit from
your insight.
> >
> > Sorry, but I can't get on a 3 year
old's level concerning Romans 7. A 3
> > year old has no
ability to comprehend such things.
> >
> > Romans 7
describes the condemnation that comes from living under law.
> >
Living under law means that you receive knowledge of something being
wrong
> > (such as coveting), then you try not to do it (not covet),
yet you find
> > yourself doing it anyway. This is what you
seem to describe when you talk
> > about knowing something is wrong
yet still doing it.
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> > > I
gather from Hebrews, seventh chapter, that the
> > > law was
annuled even for those once under it,
> > > because of its
weakness and unprofitableness.
> > > I would also appreciate your
comments on this
> > > chapter if you feel that I am in
error.
> >
> > As a covenant, those seeking to be righteous
must annul their covenant of
> > law because righteousness cannot
come through it. Neverthless, this does
> > not mean that the
law is no longer in existence anymore than one would say
> > that
marriage is no longer an institution just because some people have
>
> their marriages annulled.
> >
> > Matthew 5 makes it
clear that the law would not be destroyed until heaven
> > and earth
passes away. Even common sense tells us that the law continues,
>
> for which of us would vote to get rid of laws in our nation such as,
"thou
> > shalt not commit murder" or "thou shalt not steal"?
What Hebrews 7 talks
> > about is another priesthood and change in
covenant with God whereby we
> > become righteous. We put away
the old priesthood and the old law in that
> it
> > was part of
a different covenant.
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> > >
At what point between 35 and 80 does this
> > > change from an
infraction to a sin?
> >
> > >From a civil standpoint,
when someone's life is endangered or a policeman
> > decides you are
endangering others and so he charges you with a crime in
> > addition
to or instead of speeding.
> >
> > >From a moral
standpoint, a sin is simply when you are not walking in
> love.
>
> Slipping 1 mile over the speed limit does not in itself qualify for
that.
> > However, when you recklessly endanger others, that would
qualify. Speed
> > limits change all the time. Remember
when they had that 55 mph cap? Now
> > you can go 70 on most
interstates. It use to be that way before also. So
> >
was 56 mph a "sin" during the time when the law said 55 but now it is
not?
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> > > Does something
have to be a crime to be
> > > a sin, or can little infractions
qualify under
> > > certain conditions?
> >
> >
I was just trying to point out that even our community recognizes the
>
> difference between speeding and a criminal offense. Generally
speaking, a
> > sin is a crime and a crime is a sin. Of course,
our laws are a little
> > goofed up and some sins are not crimes or
infractions anymore (e.g.,
> > adultery, homosexuality).
>
>
> > Terry wrote:
> > > ... the first instinct in
this feeble mind is to consider
> > > the offender a jerk.
This is usually followed by
> > > immediate repentance, Realizing
that I am not
> > > behaving as I should, but the thought has been
thunk!
> >
> > Yup, sounds like you are under law to
me. The New Covenant changes you on
> > the inside, in your
heart. Under faith, we renew our minds in the Holy
> > Ghost so
that our reaction is more along the lines of hoping for the best
> >
for the other person.
> >
> > When we are under law, we know
in our heads what we should do, but we
> don't
> > always find
the ability in our heart to do it. Read Romans 7. In
Christ,
> > we are transformed to walk in the Spirit so was no longer
walk in this
> kind
> > of condemnation. Read Romans
8.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller,
Beverly Hills, Florida USA
> >
> > ----------
> >
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
may
> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians
4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
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