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Do you have any concept of what Jesus did for
us?
HEB 6:6 If they shall fall away,
to renew them again unto
repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and
put
[him]
to an open shame.
Those solemn sacrifices pointed to Jesus, the Lamb of
God.
Why would anybody want to crucify Him again?
Ludicrous.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:06
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship
between Torah observance and eternal life.
Marlin: You keep the law. Do you make animal
sacrifices?
Terry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:35
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.
1CO 9:20 And unto the Jews I became
as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to
them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might
gain
them that are under the law;
1CO 9:21 To them that are
without law, as without law, (being not
without
law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I
might gain
them
that are without law.
1CO 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would
not that ye should be ignorant,
how
that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed
through
the sea;
1CO 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in
the cloud and in the sea;
1CO 10:3 And did all eat the
same spiritual meat;
1CO 10:4 And did all drink the
same spiritual drink: for they drank of
that
spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1CO
10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for
they
were
overthrown in the wilderness.
1CO 10:6 Now
these things were our examples, to the intent we should
not
lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1CO
10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as [were] some of them; as
it is
written,
The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1CO
10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them
committed,
and
fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1CO 10:9
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and
were
destroyed of serpents.
1CO 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some
of them also murmured, and
were
destroyed of the destroyer.
1CO 10:11 Now all
these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they
are
written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world
are
come.
1CO 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh
he standeth take heed lest he fall.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between
Torah observance and eternal life.
> David:
>
> Itruly appreciate your taking the time to make these comments, but
I am not
> under the law so they don't help too much. I no
longer walk in condemnation
> because I have made Jesus my Lord, and
He has forgiven my sins. I agonize
> over even the tiny sins, if
there is such a thing, because I hate to
> disappoint my savior, not
because of any fear of Hell.
>
> Before I was married, I was
involved in adultery on more than one occasion.
> Fornication was a
normal part of life. I straightened up as far as the
> actual
acts were concerned, when I got married, but the thoughts were often
>
still there. I drank heavily right up until the day I surrendered my
life
> to Christ, and was often legally drunk. Back in my youth
I stole car parts
> off other cars to keep mine running. I
smoked for twenty years even though
> my wife hated it. I was
not a nice person, just a good ol' boy. When I met
> my savior
at the age of forty-seven I gladly put all that behind me. I
was
> born again. It was no problem. The Holy Spirit gave
me the desire and the
> ability to do His will instead of my
will. Sometimes there is the
> temptation to think that I have
come a long way, that God must be at least
> satisfied with me, if not
pleased, and yet I know without a doubt I am a
> sinner. A
lightweight sinner compared to the old days to be sure, but a
> sinner
none the less. I know it, and am working on it
>
> A
while back, I needed a quadruple bypass. I had been informed by
the
> surgeon that I might not survive the operation. After he
left and I was
> alone, waiting to be wheeled into surgery, I
prayed. My prayer was "Lord,
> your will be done". I meant
that prayer. If I were not saved, my prayer
> would have been a
selfish plea for healing, my will, not His, The Holy
> Spirit
may not always be apparent in my life, but He is always resident in
>
my heart, in spite of sometimes dropping the ball. I do not agree with
some
> of what you say, but I will not have to answer to you, so that
is not a real
> problem. Thanks for trying.
>
>
Terry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
"David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:56 PM
>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance
and
> eternal life.
>
>
> > Terry
wrote:
> > > I am not one of the children of Isreal
(Lev.27:34).
> > > I am not under the law, but grace. I
have never even
> > > sacrificed a calf.
> >
>
> You do not have to be a child of Israel to be under law. Being
under law
> is
> > a state of mind. Most Christians are
under law, even those who declare
> that
> > the law of Moses
has been annulled.
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> > >
As for Romans 7, I have read it, but never really studied it.
> >
> Please tell me what you think it says in terms a three year
>
> > old could understand. Maybe I can benefit from your
insight.
> >
> > Sorry, but I can't get on a 3 year old's
level concerning Romans 7. A 3
> > year old has no ability to
comprehend such things.
> >
> > Romans 7 describes the
condemnation that comes from living under law.
> > Living under law
means that you receive knowledge of something being wrong
> > (such
as coveting), then you try not to do it (not covet), yet you find
>
> yourself doing it anyway. This is what you seem to describe when
you talk
> > about knowing something is wrong yet still doing
it.
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> > > I gather from
Hebrews, seventh chapter, that the
> > > law was annuled even
for those once under it,
> > > because of its weakness and
unprofitableness.
> > > I would also appreciate your comments on
this
> > > chapter if you feel that I am in error.
>
>
> > As a covenant, those seeking to be righteous must annul
their covenant of
> > law because righteousness cannot come through
it. Neverthless, this does
> > not mean that the law is no
longer in existence anymore than one would say
> > that marriage is
no longer an institution just because some people have
> > their
marriages annulled.
> >
> > Matthew 5 makes it clear that
the law would not be destroyed until heaven
> > and earth passes
away. Even common sense tells us that the law continues,
> >
for which of us would vote to get rid of laws in our nation such as,
"thou
> > shalt not commit murder" or "thou shalt not steal"?
What Hebrews 7 talks
> > about is another priesthood and change in
covenant with God whereby we
> > become righteous. We put
away the old priesthood and the old law in that
> it
> > was
part of a different covenant.
> >
> > Terry wrote:
>
> > At what point between 35 and 80 does this
> > > change
from an infraction to a sin?
> >
> > >From a civil
standpoint, when someone's life is endangered or a policeman
> >
decides you are endangering others and so he charges you with a crime
in
> > addition to or instead of speeding.
> >
>
> >From a moral standpoint, a sin is simply when you are not walking
in
> love.
> > Slipping 1 mile over the speed limit does not
in itself qualify for that.
> > However, when you recklessly
endanger others, that would qualify. Speed
> > limits change
all the time. Remember when they had that 55 mph cap?
Now
> > you can go 70 on most interstates. It use to be that
way before also. So
> > was 56 mph a "sin" during the time
when the law said 55 but now it is not?
> >
> > Terry
wrote:
> > > Does something have to be a crime to be
>
> > a sin, or can little infractions qualify under
> > >
certain conditions?
> >
> > I was just trying to point out
that even our community recognizes the
> > difference between
speeding and a criminal offense. Generally speaking, a
> >
sin is a crime and a crime is a sin. Of course, our laws are a
little
> > goofed up and some sins are not crimes or infractions
anymore (e.g.,
> > adultery, homosexuality).
> >
>
> Terry wrote:
> > > ... the first instinct in this feeble
mind is to consider
> > > the offender a jerk. This is
usually followed by
> > > immediate repentance, Realizing that I
am not
> > > behaving as I should, but the thought has been
thunk!
> >
> > Yup, sounds like you are under law to
me. The New Covenant changes you on
> > the inside, in your
heart. Under faith, we renew our minds in the Holy
> > Ghost
so that our reaction is more along the lines of hoping for the best
>
> for the other person.
> >
> > When we are under law,
we know in our heads what we should do, but we
> don't
> >
always find the ability in our heart to do it. Read Romans 7. In
Christ,
> > we are transformed to walk in the Spirit so was no
longer walk in this
> kind
> > of condemnation. Read
Romans 8.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David
Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
> >
> >
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salt, that you may
> know how you ought to answer every man."
(Colossians 4:6)
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