Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath

[Terry Clifton]

I do not remember intent being a consideration.  I don't know that God gave room for loopholes in those days.  Most of the world worshipped idols, and the Lord picked out one people to show that world who He was.  When that peculiar people obeyed, God gave them earthly blessings that everyone could see.  When they disobeyed, the punishment was also something easy to see.  Proof that the God of the Jews was the real thing. He proved that over and over.  Then He sent the Messiah that he had promised from the beginning, first to the Jews, then to the world.    Our rewards and punishment are not immediate and visible in most instances now, and we operate under different guidelines, but disobedience is sin, no doubt about it. However,I am not being disobedient in this case, since I am not one of the children of Israel and was never ordered to keep the sabbath as they were. As a matter of fact, the children of Israel are no longer required to keep it, since that was only in effect until Jesus fulfilled the law.  Without Jesus, they go to Hell no matter how many laws they keep (all have sinned, everybody comes up short.  Jesus is the only way.)   It is late and I am old and I am starting to ramble, so I am going to bed.   Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath Terry,   Perhaps that shows that Jesus lived by the Intent of the law, rather than upon the Letter of the law? We are to REST from work, not from meeting our basic needs or the needs of others.  Love overrules everything. It is the highest intent of the law. That doesn’t mean we should intentionally Work (as in earning money or mowing the lawn) on the Sabbath.  He gives us a break, so we will have time to commune with Him. Not to enslave us. We are only enslaved by sin. Disobedience is sin.   Izzy   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath   He did address it.  He was wrong. The command to keep the sabbath had no exceptions, for good works or any other endeavor.  If it had, the Pharisees would not have been upset by Jesus healing repeatedly on that day.    Jesus could have put off His healings until Sunday.  The beneficiaries of His goodness had been the way they were for a long time.  One more day would not have mattered, but Jesus DELIBERATELY healed on the sabbath, and picked grain on the sabbath,  to show what a loving God intended.  The sabbath was made to give man a break, not to enslave him.  According to the Pharisees, you had no option.  According to Jesus, based on what He said and the example He set, you do have an option.  I choose to follow Jesus.  How 'bout you?   Terry   -------Original Message-------   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 17:57:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath   Terry, Did you actually read what he wrote before you asked this question. I thought he already addressed this issue quite well. Izzy   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath   Izzy:   If Jesus had ever sinned, He cpuld not have been the sinless sacrifice required to satisfy God, the father.   Jesus worked on the Sabbath, and was not a sinner.  That tells me that working on the sabbath is not a sin.  Others will no doubt see it differently, but my Lord said that man was not made for the sabbath.   Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Lord of the Sabbath   TT: Here is a website that I agree with regarding Sabbath-keeping: http://www.newwine.org/Sabbath3/Grace_b.htm.  What do you think about it? Izzy     ____________________________________________________   IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here