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ok, thx:) just makin' sure what you want..now, why
do you want to know more of my view of this?
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FTR, Iz, i've already indicated several
times (and at least once recently on _TT_) that the biblical time line is
linear, a simple two-age structure comprisd of 'this ('present' 'evil') age' and
the future 'age to come'..e.g., to Eph 1:21 cp. Eph 2:2
this two-age structure is deeply rooted
(was forged) in the Prophetic mindset--
[see: GE Ladd's _The Presence of
the Future_ which is readable, and I'll be glad to assist you with
it/comment, if you're willing/if you need it..
(one of the best first
basemen/left-handed hitters in our over-50 bb league is female, about 23 years
old, which the old geezers inc me tolerate, but the younger men/leagues
can't--too many still married i suspect:) ..and, ftr, i'm a first baseman,
too:)]
--or, IOW, it is assumed throughout
their section of the OT
then, it is carried forward--still
assumed--by JC, underlying--explicitly in places--ALL of his teaching; e.g. Matt 12:32, Mk 10:30, Lk
18:30..
then it is advanced by the Ap Paul as in
Eph 2, above..
I am asking YOU. Please read
the question. Thanks. Izzy
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>Rapture or final judgment
trip?
Iz, what kind of
eschatological time line are you
following, below; acc to what verses of
Scripture?
Are you saying you believe the
Lord is returning in 2006? Rapture or final judgment trip? How do you
figure? Iz
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neither judge
nor jury, Iz--that's coming down for all of us to deal with (in
2006:)--but a sometimes potent critic without job-related
status/authority..anybody wanna hire me(?:); i know lots about
computers/networks and teaching particularly kids both computers and
sports...
Do you (does anybody here)
read John Updike's stuff? E.g., _The Coup_ (1978)--esp the first
few pages where he (as a brilliantly fictitious Islamic/radical socialist
dictator) is talkin' to the capitalist king of Cush about his kingdom's
pre-coup political relationship with America...it's still very insightful
and funny..could enable us to communicate (beyond) this difference in
values/perspective/s, if you like:)
Well, if you say so. I guess
that makes you judge and jury. Iz
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>We don’t light the world
by caving in to evil political forces.
you say this, below, to
imply that (US) democratic politics is evil while (your) republican
politics is stewed in with NT 'salt and light'; that
conservative corporation policies, inc private property protected by gov't
war machinery inc your bomb factories (ain't taxing the public improperly)
is somehow (therefore) more godly than its democratic counterpart, which
is basically no different--a sincere democrat coulda wrote what you did,
above, or below--a matter [of] different political people under the
prince of darkness writing the checks for the same old stuf about to be
'destroyed'
in sum, your political
assumptions, above, control your understanding of scripture, below, which
means you ain't any more serious about
following JC than Bill
Clinton
g, I certainly agree that
the Kingdom of God is invisible, especially to this world which is ruled
by the prince of the powers of the air. However, we are to be salt
and light as much as possible. One way to do that is to do as much as we
can to be lights not hidden under a bushel. We don’t light the
world by caving in to evil political forces. We do what we can.
The Lord will do His part, whatever that may be—the rest is up to Him. I
don’t expect the Rep Party to usher in the 2nd coming; just
hopefully save a few unborn lives and keep hardworking folks from being
taxed into an early grave, etc. Give folks the freedom to Give
their money in stead of having it Stolen by the State.
The KofG is Righteousness,
Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit. That’s the only way to enter in
and live there. That should be Today. We enter into it by living
righteous lives (by His Grace). if i see what this means in the
context of JCs teaching, this is what i should do
How do you personally do
this? I’m sure your writing has something to do with this. I agree
with you totally—whatever the Lord gives you to do you must do with your
whole heart.
Funny,
I think the treasure in the field and the pearl of great price are
secret treasures that no one in this world wants (so they overlook or
reject it) are the painful suffering, the trials and testings, that the
Lord sends to purify us of sin. A bitter gift at first, but
sweeter than life itself in the end. Jesus said, Count the cost
before deciding to follow Me. That, I think, is the cost. If we
don’t slay Self, He will help us do it. Abraham had to be willing to
slay his own flesh; so must we.
I couldn’t sleep last night;
awoke worrying about some things. Then the thought came to me that
I shouldn’t worry at all, because Jesus is returning Very Soon. It
occurred to me that Israel was judged 60 years after the crucifixion of
Jesus—had 60 years in which to repent but didn’t. Then it occurred
to me that in 2008 Israel will be 60 years old, and then Judgment will
fall upon the whole world. If there is to be a 7 year pre-trib
rapture, that would be this year! (I’m not sure if there will be
such a thing, actually—but I’m hopeful.) What do you
think?
Izzy
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don't kid anybody,
you're trackin' fine--but like others, inc my extended/family, you're
having a hard time dealing with the implications of my political
critiques
it's ok, i'm used to
it--at least you asked an
intelligent question, made an intelligent
observation, below
so, I'll tell you: the
kingdom of God is a unique spiritual state, Iz--as JC taught, it's
present in him, emerging unseen, unnoticed,
like
a 1000 year oak tree from a tiny
seed
it's like a small
amount of leaven placed in the dough of the world--pretty soon the dough
will rise to bakable (tasty:)
proportions
however, the KoG is
also future--radically; it will come apocalyptically as
promised
though it is present
in the ministry, message, person, and works, partic in the miracles of
JC, the KoG is yet to come, when he
returns
JCs followers live
betw these times--already saved from the fate of the world in the
present age yet to be saved from destruction like Noah in the age
to come
this means the
KoG is real acc to the NT, but rejected for its value, partic given
its terms of trade, in most of the
world
followers of JC are
not devout common sense republicans, or 'idiot' democrats:) but
those who dwell in KoG now--by choice/committment; in fact, like in one
of the stories JC told, a guy like me, who, lookin' for a real
new deal finds a diamond in the rough, would be wise to sell off all his
holdings/investments to generate the cash to buy that 'rough' open
field overlooked by the
'developers':)
if i see what this
means in the context of JCs teaching, this is what i should
do
the fact that i'd own
this field is very costly now, but very wise in biblical terms in
the long (ultimate) run
it's not the same as
buyin' stock in Israel <rof> or in Deseret Corp.
<x666!>
it's bein' in
committed possession of a unique, conflicting spiritual reality that i
buy into myself at any cost, that few else inc even many of my
family care about....yet:)
the reason/s they
don't care are evident in the NT where many people JC encountered were
preoccupied with (e.g.) trivial politics of kingdoms based in systems of
thought which the KoG will consume, destroy as he and the Prophets
foretell, eg.:
'I will destroy this
temple (which was constructed of, e.g., 20 ton squares of granite over a
40 year period) and rebuild it 3 days', JC
communicates
Interestingly, this is
the main piece of 'evidence' supplied hatefully by his political
accusers at his 'trial' in Jerusalem--the City of
David
If that's what
Jerusalem (still) thinks, what makes you think Denver New York or
Washington is gonna do different? Which of GWBs advisors is gonna
counsell him to sell off everything it takes to buy a field no one
wants, then lead his party to victory acc to the NT? I suspect
Condolleeza Rice would get laughed right offa 'Face the
Nation'...e.g., check out Prov
23:1-9
gary, I’m having a hard
time following you…are you saying that Jesus, Paul and the NT teach
against my politics? I must have missed that part; want to run
it by me again? Izzy
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maybe she was
studyin'..it's too bad, though, that women like you would do
time 'research'ing politics indifferent to JC, the
Ap Paul, and the NT--you iz crucial to your own familial
dysfunctionalities
Weren’t you the one who
started this whole controversy about GW Bush to begin with?
Then you just sneaked off until it was all over! J Izzy
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In a
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The spell
checker on this computer keeps wanting to change her
name from
Izzy to Dizzy. Maybe it knows something that I
don't.
The problem is
that you have a male computer. You need to download a female
spell checker! LOL BTW It's often the
women who take the time to find out about the candidates and
research their platforms. Right Izzy?
Laura
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