g, so WHEN do you think He will return? DO you believe in a “Rapture”?
Do I have to read a whole book to get your answer on this? And WHY is a 23 year
old female allowed to play on the over 50 BB team? (Need I really ask???) And
what does that have to do with anything?????? Izzy And what does IOW mean?
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ok, thx:) just makin' sure what you want..now, why do
you want to know more of my
view of this?
FTR, Iz, i've already indicated several
times (and at least once recently on _TT_) that the biblical time line is linear,
a simple two-age structure comprisd of 'this ('present' 'evil') age' and the
future 'age to come'..e.g., to Eph 1:21 cp. Eph 2:2
this two-age structure is deeply rooted
(was forged) in the Prophetic mindset--
[see: GE Ladd's _The Presence of the
Future_ which is readable, and I'll be glad to assist you with it/comment,
if you're willing/if you need it..
(one of the best first basemen/left-handed
hitters in our over-50 bb league is female, about 23 years old, which the old
geezers inc me tolerate, but the younger men/leagues can't--too many still
married i suspect:) ..and, ftr, i'm a first baseman, too:)]
--or, IOW, it is assumed throughout their
section of the OT
then, it is carried forward--still
assumed--by JC, underlying--explicitly in places--ALL of his teaching; e.g. Matt
12:32, Mk 10:30, Lk 18:30..
then it is advanced by the Ap Paul as in
Eph 2, above..
I am asking YOU. Please read the question. Thanks.
Izzy
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>Rapture or final judgment trip?
Iz, what kind of eschatological time
line are you following, below; acc
to what verses of Scripture?
Are you saying you believe the Lord is returning in
2006? Rapture or final judgment trip? How do you figure? Iz
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neither judge nor jury, Iz--that's
coming down for all of us to deal with (in 2006:)--but a sometimes potent
critic without job-related status/authority..anybody wanna hire me(?:); i
know lots about computers/networks and teaching particularly
kids both computers and sports...
Do you (does anybody here) read John
Updike's stuff? E.g., _The Coup_ (1978)--esp the first few pages
where he (as a brilliantly fictitious Islamic/radical socialist dictator) is
talkin' to the capitalist king of Cush about his kingdom's pre-coup political
relationship with America...it's still very insightful and funny..could enable
us to communicate (beyond) this difference in values/perspective/s, if you
like:)
Well, if you say so. I guess that makes you judge and jury.
Iz
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>We don’t light the world by caving in to
evil political forces.
you say this, below, to imply that (US)
democratic politics is evil while (your) republican politics is stewed in
with NT 'salt and light'; that conservative corporation policies, inc
private property protected by gov't war machinery inc your bomb factories
(ain't taxing the public improperly) is somehow (therefore) more godly than its
democratic counterpart, which is basically no different--a sincere democrat
coulda wrote what you did, above, or below--a matter [of] different political people under the prince of darkness writing the
checks for the same old stuf about to be 'destroyed'
in sum, your political assumptions, above,
control your understanding of scripture, below, which means you ain't any more
serious about following JC than Bill
Clinton
g, I certainly agree that the Kingdom of God is invisible,
especially to this world which is ruled by the prince of the powers of the
air. However, we are to be salt and light as much as possible. One way to
do that is to do as much as we can to be lights not hidden under a
bushel. We don’t light the world by caving in to evil political
forces. We do what we can. The Lord will do His part, whatever that may
be—the rest is up to Him. I don’t expect the Rep Party to usher in
the 2nd coming; just hopefully save a few unborn lives and keep
hardworking folks from being taxed into an early grave, etc. Give folks
the freedom to Give their money in stead of having it Stolen by the State.
The KofG is Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy
Spirit. That’s the only way to enter in and live there. That should
be Today. We enter into it by living righteous lives (by His
Grace). if i see what
this means in the context of JCs teaching, this is what i should do How do you
personally do this? I’m sure your writing has something to do with
this. I agree with you totally—whatever the Lord gives you to do you must
do with your whole heart.
Funny, I think the treasure in the
field and the pearl of great price are secret treasures that no one in this
world wants (so they overlook or reject it) are the painful suffering, the
trials and testings, that the Lord sends to purify us of sin. A bitter
gift at first, but sweeter than life itself in the end. Jesus said, Count
the cost before deciding to follow Me. That, I think, is the cost. If we
don’t slay Self, He will help us do it. Abraham had to be willing to slay
his own flesh; so must we.
I couldn’t sleep last night; awoke worrying about some
things. Then the thought came to me that I shouldn’t worry at all,
because Jesus is returning Very Soon. It occurred to me that Israel was
judged 60 years after the crucifixion of Jesus—had 60 years in which to repent
but didn’t. Then it occurred to me that in 2008 Israel will be 60
years old, and then Judgment will fall upon the whole world. If there is
to be a 7 year pre-trib rapture, that would be this year! (I’m not
sure if there will be such a thing, actually—but I’m hopeful.) What
do you think?
Izzy
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don't kid anybody, you're trackin'
fine--but like others, inc my extended/family, you're having a hard time
dealing with the implications of my political critiques
it's ok, i'm used to it--at least you asked
an intelligent question, made an intelligent observation, below
so, I'll tell you: the kingdom of God is a
unique spiritual state, Iz--as JC taught, it's present in him, emerging unseen,
unnoticed, like a 1000 year
oak tree from a tiny seed
it's like a small amount of leaven placed
in the dough of the world--pretty soon the dough will rise to bakable (tasty:)
proportions
however, the KoG is also future--radically;
it will come apocalyptically as promised
though it is present in the ministry,
message, person, and works, partic in the miracles of JC, the KoG is yet to
come, when he returns
JCs followers live betw these
times--already saved from the fate of the world in the present age yet to
be saved from destruction like Noah in the age to come
this means the KoG is real acc to the
NT, but rejected for its value, partic given its terms of trade, in most
of the world
followers of JC are not devout common sense
republicans, or 'idiot' democrats:) but those who dwell in KoG now--by
choice/committment; in fact, like in one of the stories JC told, a guy like me,
who, lookin' for a real new deal finds a diamond in the rough, would
be wise to sell off all his holdings/investments to generate the cash to
buy that 'rough' open field overlooked by the 'developers':)
if i see what this means in the context of
JCs teaching, this is what i should do
the fact that i'd own this field is
very costly now, but very wise in biblical terms in the long (ultimate) run
it's not the same as buyin' stock in Israel
<rof> or in Deseret Corp. <x666!>
it's bein' in committed possession of a
unique, conflicting spiritual reality that i buy into myself at any cost,
that few else inc even many of my family care about....yet:)
the reason/s they don't care are evident in
the NT where many people JC encountered were preoccupied with (e.g.) trivial
politics of kingdoms based in systems of thought which the KoG will consume,
destroy as he and the Prophets foretell, eg.:
'I will destroy this temple (which was
constructed of, e.g., 20 ton squares of granite over a 40 year period) and
rebuild it 3 days', JC communicates
Interestingly, this is the main piece of
'evidence' supplied hatefully by his political accusers at his 'trial' in
Jerusalem--the City of David
If that's what Jerusalem (still) thinks,
what makes you think Denver New York or Washington is gonna do different? Which
of GWBs advisors is gonna counsell him to sell off everything it takes to
buy a field no one wants, then lead his party to victory acc to the NT? I
suspect Condolleeza Rice would get laughed right offa 'Face the
Nation'...e.g., check out Prov 23:1-9
gary, I’m having a hard time following you…are
you saying that Jesus, Paul and the NT teach against my politics? I must
have missed that part; want to run it by me again? Izzy
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maybe she was studyin'..it's too bad,
though, that women like you would do time 'research'ing politics
indifferent to JC, the Ap Paul, and the NT--you iz crucial to your
own familial dysfunctionalities
Weren’t you the one who
started this whole controversy about GW Bush to begin with? Then you just
sneaked off until it was all over! J Izzy
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In a message dated 6/14/2003 1:26:39
PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The spell checker on this computer
keeps wanting to change her
name from Izzy to Dizzy. Maybe it knows something that I don't.
The problem is that you have a male computer. You need to download a
female spell checker! LOL BTW It's often the
women who take the time to find out about the candidates and research their
platforms. Right Izzy? Laura
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