Have just been observing Truth Talk the last week or so, so don't know how long this discussion has been going or what scriptures have been considered.
Hebrews 1 comes to mind in which are stated 24 facts about the Lord Jesus which I have put in BOLD:
1 � God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by HIS SON, WHOM HE HATH APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS;
3 WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, WHEN HE HAD BY HIMSELF PURGED OUR SINS, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH;
4 BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ANGELS, AS HE HATH BY INHERITANCE OBTAINED A MORE EXCELLENT NAME THAN THEY.
5 For unto which of the angels said he I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER , AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, THY THRONE O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTRE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTRE OF THY KINGDOM.
9 THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND HATED INIQUITY; THEREFORE GOD, EVEN THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE THY FELLOWS.
10 AND, THOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAST LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORK OF THY HANDS.
11 They shall perish; but THOU REMAINEST; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And AS A VESTURE SHALT THOU FOLD THEM UP, and they shall be changed: BUT THOU ART THE SAME, AND THY YEARS SHALL NOT FAIL.
Bruce Woodford
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--- Begin Message --->From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: TruthTalk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah] >Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:54:41 -0700 > > > > > > DavidH, > > > > In John 8:54 (KJV): Jesus answered, If I honor myself my honor is nothing: > > it is my Father that honoreth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God. > > > > Here Jesus affirms that it is His Father whom the Jews worship. This also > > contadicts your theory that Jesus and Jehovah of the old testament are the > > same, just as does the previous verse I quoted. > >DAVEH: Consider the context of what Jesus was saying, and who he was speaking to, Perry. Vs 58 pretty much confirms that Jesus was the God of the OT the Jews worshipped........ > >"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." > >........note in the next verse, they understood him to claim to be the God of the OT, as they then........ > >"........took up stones to cast at him:........" > > > So, we have Jesus saying that the temples were His Father's house, and even > > confirming that the Jews worshipped His Father. I guess 6000 years of Jews > > and 2000 years of Christians are all wrong, and DavidH is right? (Look! > > Everyone is marching out of step but my son!) > > > > Perry > > > > >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah > > >Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:54:27 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > > > > > > DavidH, > > > > > > > > You haved begged the question David. You have created a logical > > > > inconsistency, then when confronted on it, swept it under the rug! This > > >is > > > > typical of LDS theology, and yours in particular. Would you like to take > > >a > > > > second stab at explaining the inconsistency you have created? > > > > > >DAVEH: No Perry, I don't see it as an inconsistency at all. Whatever > > >Jesus does is to glorify his Father......whether it be die on the cross, or > > >have an edifice built for him. The two are one in purpose........to bring > > >to pass the immortality and > > >eternal life of man. > > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah > > > > >Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:15:25 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > DaveH, > > > > > > > > > > > > If Jesus was the God of the OT that the Jews worshiped (Jehovah), > > >then > > > > >it > > > > > > must be for Jesus that they built the temple(s). Yet Jesus calls the > > > > >Temple > > > > > > his Father's house. Doesn't that create a circular argument? > > > > > > > > > >DAVEH: Not in my opinion. I suspect both our Heavenly Father and his > > >Son > > > > >will feel welcome in the House of the Lord! > > > > > > > > > > > Perry > >-- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Dave Hansen >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.langlitz.com >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >If you wish to receive >things I find interesting, >I maintain Five email lists... >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, >STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. > > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.DaveH,
Keep up the good work! You are about to discover the Trinity on your own! You see, we are both right because of the Triune nature of God! The very point is that Jesus is separate from the Father in person, but the same as the father in being, That is how the apparent paradox that we have seen over the last few posts is resolved!
Perry
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