That, as usual, explains everything. Izzy -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Something To Ponder
Then a Gentile is the 'father of Israel'; if it's important, now, to be an Israelite, one should move to Israel/change citizenship--to be an Israelite legalistically is not possible. In fact, Izzy, Israelites themselves are not sons of 'Abraham' on the legalistic basis that legalism, above, requires; though legalists and Israelites strive to keep it, they consistently violate the law of Moses. E.g., The US and Israel engage in political atrocities daily resulting in a widening mid-East conflict, not in JCs 'peace'. Consider it; while true Israelites are violating the law of Moses consistently, how can acquiring Israeli status have any bearing on spiritual matters involving those in Christ? gary ottoson * http://poet235.com -- "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I don't get this point which you keep making. How do you figure? What is your scriptural proof? (specifically) Paul says that Abraham is the Father of Israel, and ultimately of all Believers. Izzy -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Something To Ponder -- "Bruce Woodford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <<[IOW..]scripture[..]teaches[..]that those who are Christ's are [not] Israelites!>> IOW (again:) : The Ap. Paul's underlying NT point is that Abe is not an Israelite; neither, then, is Abe's spiritually saved 'seed', in Christ. gary ottoson :: poet235.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
