> > DAVEH: Not in my opinion, Carroll. He told folks they were wrong and
> > should change, but he did it in a loving way. I do not recall him
> > trying to mock or humiliate those who disagreed with him. Nor did he go
> > out of his way to 'get in their face'. He
> > often times spoke his mind about their wrongness and then left them to
> > decide which path they want to travel. I don't think there was
> > anything obnoxious or offensive about the way he preached or acted.
> > And, that includes his righteous indignation in
> > the Temple.
>
> Dean writes#
> Are we talking about the Jesus of the KJ Bible or another?
DAVEH: Both.
> > > That is why we are considered obnoxious at you
> > > precious temple-you refuse to repent.
> >
> > DAVEH: Since you want to discuss this within the context of Mormonism,
> > I will oblige. The behavior exhibited by those protesting Mormonism
> > during their conference times twice a year has exceeded the bounds of
> > respect, politeness, decency and common
> > sense. In short, their demonstrations were extremely rude, crude and
> > obnoxious.....not only to LDS folks, but to others who witnessed their
> > rude behavior. Carroll, if you think our Lord condones such deplorable
> > behavior, I am rather disappointed. I'm
> > not sure what effect they (the protesters) think their inappropriate
> > behavior will achieve, but I assure you it was detrimental to their
> > cause. If somebody does not agree with our theology and wishes to
> > protest....that is OK. But to delve to the depths
> > of indecency only brands them with an unChristian image that betrays
> > their hypocritical goals.
> #
> By Biblical standards the Temple leads one to hell(see below)-why should
> I show respect to a object that is used by Satan to lead one to hell
> You Book of Mormon teaches that our KJ Bible is a tool of Satan
DAVEH: Not true.
> that cause
> people to Go to hell-does that not dishonor us and our God?
> 1 Nephi 13:30-27
> because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the
> Lamb,an exceedingly great many do stumble,yea,insomuch that Satan hath
> Great power over them.
DAVEH: Like it suggests.......it is that which is NOT in the Bible that causes guys
like you
to stumble, Dean.
> And of course the Mormon Lying Prophets are kind enough to add back the
> thing that are taken away-
DAVEH: Correct (except for the "Mormon Lying Prophets" bit that you use in an attempt
to
incite anger)......as related in Acts 3:19-22......
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the
TIMES OF
REFRESHING shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ,
which
before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL THE TIMES OF
RESTITUTION OF
ALL THINGS, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world
began."
.......Dean, I submit to you that our Temples are one of those THINGS which has been
restored
as prophesied.
> such as the temple as the way to salvation.Yet
> Mormons want respect while degrading our Holy Gospel-Sound hypocritical to
> me. You come to our door and we invite many of you in. But when we go to
> you door you bar us entry and attack us for preaching what the Bible says.
DAVEH: Nonsense. If you wish to come to my home and preach to me as our missionaries
seek to
preach to you, I will invite you in, Dean. As you know, if you come to an LDS meeting
in a
spirit of fellowship, we will welcome you......as you found out from personal
experience a
couple years ago. However, if you come to our house of worship to disrupt our
services, then
you are correct.....you are not welcome. If I came to your Wesleyan services and
attempted to
disrupt your worship by publicly making a fool of myself, would you tolerate my
obnoxious
behavior, Dean?
> Hypocrites.
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree.
> > > Mormons place it into a structure made with mans hands
> >
> > DAVEH: That too, just as in Biblical times. Do you not see a relevance
> > of Temples to/and God, Carroll? I do not believe a "temple" need be
> > ONLY one single aspect of theology.
> #
> When this theology declared this temple as the way of salvation-I see it as
> very relevant to the issue at hand. Consider Mormon teachings:
>
> Can we not be saved without going through with all those ordinances,ect.?"
> I will answer no,not the fulliness of salvation....
> (HC,6:184)
> The temple endowment ordinance enrich in three ways: (a) The one receiving
> the ordinance is giving power from God."Recipients are endowed with power
> from on high." (b) A recipient is also endowed with information and
> knowledge." They receive an education relative to the Lord's purposes and
> plans." (Mormon Doctrine,page 227.) (C) When sealed at the alter a person
> is the recipient of Glorious blessings,powers,and honor as part of his
> endowment.
>
> In other words- The Mormons teach that all us Christians that don't go to
> the temple are going to hell-
DAVEH: Nonsense. You have made some faulty assumptions, Dean.
> but this isn't spoken out loud to young
> converts until later-due to their pretence to portray themselves as
> Christians (ie. follow the teaching of Jesus Christ). But if we declare
> that one must be born again -we are seen as ob-nox-ious.
DAVEH: It depends on how you do your declaring. One has the option of teaching and
preaching, or some can make fools of themselves. How you wish to convey your message
is up to
you, Dean. How it is perceived by others may be detrimental to your cause though.
> While Jesus said
> that He is the way to the father-unto salvation Mormons are hypocrites due
> to their claim to Christianity while teaching against the words of Jesus
> Christ.
DAVEH: Again.....nonsense. Jesus said......
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be
damned."
.......Now let me ask you, Dean. Do you believe baptism (along with belief) is
necessary for
salvation??? That is what Jesus said, and we preach it as so. Do
you????????????????????
> > > which God
> > > will not accept
> >
> > DAVEH: In your opinion.
> >
> > > and in your lies you declare this as the way to
> > > salvation-Mormons are fools.
> >
> > DAVEH: Again.....in your opinion. However, I respectfully disagree.
> >
> > > Your temple will fall.
> >
> > DAVEH: When do you think that will happen, and why do you make that
> > prediction, Carroll?
> #
> Due to events of late (see attachment pertaining to a future one world
> religion)
DAVEH: Hmmmmm........do you suppose they forgot to invite the street preachers?
<VBG>
> I believe this will occur when:The Seventh Seal is broken and The
> Seventh Trumpet is Sounded and the Seventh Vial is poured out and God says
> from His Throne "it is done".
DAVEH: So Dean......That sounds like it might be some time away from now. Why worry
yourself
sick thinking about it.....If you keep this up, you'll get an ulcer! :-)
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