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> From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: TruthTalk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/3/2003 3:48:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day
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> > > DAVEH: Not in my opinion, Carroll. He told folks they were wrong and
> > > should change, but he did it in a loving way. I do not recall him
> > > trying to mock or humiliate those who disagreed with him. Nor did he
go
> > > out of his way to 'get in their face'.
Dean writes:%% (12/4)
Doesn't your statement conflict with the fact that Jesus drove the
sinners from the temple with a whip? How about when Jesus called king Herod
a Fox which was a great insult of that era. How about His calling the
Pharisees Hypocrites and Vipers (snakes). Dave Christians not only have the
right too call down the both the sin and the sinner-but are required too by
God. In modern day thought this is of course unacceptable and we
Christians are pressured to be silent while the world goes to hell. He got
in their faces Dave.
He often times spoke his mind about their wrongness and then left them to
> > > decide which path they want to travel. I don't think there was
> > > anything obnoxious or offensive about the way he preached or acted.
> > > And, that includes his righteous indignation in
> > > the Temple.
%% All truth is offensive to workers of Iniquity Dave -As they hate God
they also hate his word-and the one that speak His word.
>
> > By Biblical standards the Temple leads one to hell(see below)-why
should
> > I show respect to a object that is used by Satan to lead one to hell
> > You Book of Mormon teaches that our KJ Bible is a tool of Satan
>
> DAVEH: Not true.
>
> > that cause
> > people to Go to hell-does that not dishonor us and our God?
> > 1 Nephi 13:30-27
> > because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the
> > Lamb,an exceedingly great many do stumble,yea,insomuch that Satan hath
> > Great power over them.
>
> DAVEH: Like it suggests.......it is that which is NOT in the Bible that
causes guys like you
> to stumble, Dean.
%% So what you are saying is if I live by the words of the Bible-which
words are Jesus's- I will stumble and go to hell DaveH. That is the only
conclusion one can draw from this statement Dave. Which words in my Bible
will cause this effect -Is it too Love the Lord thy God with all thy
might-or is it to Love thy neighbor as myself-or is it too repent of sin? I
would like an answer too this question Dave.
>
> > And of course the Mormon Lying Prophets are kind enough to add back
the
> > thing that are taken away-
>
> DAVEH: Correct (except for the "Mormon Lying Prophets" bit that you use
in an attempt to
> incite anger)......as related in Acts 3:19-22......
%%No Dave- I am not trying to anger you-nor am I angry-I am simply
telling you the truth-those words you speak are lies and are in fact
against the Bible- and I am too tell you so as directed by God-and in doing
so if you get angry I cannot help that nor will I coddle your sin.
>
> "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out, when the TIMES OF
> REFRESHING shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send
Jesus Christ, which
> before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL THE
TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF
> ALL THINGS, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets
since the world
> began."
>
> .......Dean, I submit to you that our Temples are one of those THINGS
which has been restored
> as prophesied.
%% By who's prophecies Dave ? Did Jesus make this prophecy? Are these
Prophecies even in the Bible-if so show me.
>
> > such as the temple as the way to salvation.Yet
> > Mormons want respect while degrading our Holy Gospel-Sound hypocritical
to
> > me. You come to our door and we invite many of you in. But when we go to
> > you door you bar us entry and attack us for preaching what the Bible
says.
>
> DAVEH: Nonsense. If you wish to come to my home and preach to me as our
missionaries seek to
> preach to you, I will invite you in, Dean. As you know, if you come to
an LDS meeting in a
> spirit of fellowship, we will welcome you......as you found out from
personal experience a
> couple years ago. However, if you come to our house of worship to disrupt
our services, then
> you are correct.....you are not welcome. If I came to your Wesleyan
services and attempted to
> disrupt your worship by publicly making a fool of myself, would you
tolerate my obnoxious
> behavior, Dean?
%%
As for making " fool of myself " doesn't the Bible teach that the world
will see us as foolish and that he chose that foolishness to confound the
wise.
1 Cor.1:27
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
1 Cor.1:18
For the preaching of the Gospel is to them that perish foolishness.
Dave you are more then welcome to come to our service-If you come to
disrupt our service you are still welcome-just be aware that I will defend
you disruption with my sword (the Bible)-but I do expect you to be able to
back up any rebukes you may give to disrupt- with the Bible (not some book
that some nut wrote) and if you can show me error then I will be wise
enough to listen-if you cannot back up your rebukes-I will then expect you
to be silent and listen to instruction. That's how it works Dave. Thats
what the early Church did as a practice-hence truth was found.
>
> > but this isn't spoken out loud to young
> > converts until later-due to their pretence to portray themselves as
> > Christians (ie. follow the teaching of Jesus Christ). But if we declare
> > that one must be born again -we are seen as ob-nox-ious.
>
> DAVEH: It depends on how you do your declaring. One has the option of
teaching and
> preaching, or some can make fools of themselves. How you wish to convey
your message is up to
> you, Dean. How it is perceived by others may be detrimental to your
cause though.
%% Dave if the power of salvation depended solely on my representation of
myself then I would be God-I am not God so what I represent is his Word-I
preach that Word and the Word does the healing. Now if you can show me
where my words are wrong-by the Bible ( not just some book that some nut
wrote) then I will consider your case. I wonder how John the Baptist would
be view by your cult as he ate bugs and wore camel hair clothing and
preached crying aloud.
>
> DAVEH: Again.....nonsense. Jesus said......
>
> "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned."
>
> .......Now let me ask you, Dean. Do you believe baptism (along with
belief) is necessary for
> salvation??? That is what Jesus said, and we preach it as so. Do
you????????????????????
%% Was the thief on the cross baptized Dave-Did he go with Jesus too
paradise that Day?
DAVEH: Hmmmmm........do you suppose they forgot to invite the street
preachers? <VBG>
%% I doubt it- We are hard to forget Dave (VBG)
>
> > I believe this will occur when:The Seventh Seal is broken and The
> > Seventh Trumpet is Sounded and the Seventh Vial is poured out and God
says
> > from His Throne "it is done".
>
> DAVEH: So Dean......That sounds like it might be some time away from
now. Why worry yourself
> sick thinking about it.....If you keep this up, you'll get an ulcer! :-)
%%
Does it please you to view me as worrying myself sick or being all upset
because you don't receive the Bible as truth Dave- Or is the another motive
for your seeking to portray me as such? If you are worried for my health-I
thank you for your concern and in turn do share a concern for your soul but
not unto the point of worrying because God has to convert the soul not
me-worrying and anger on my part will not help you or me. My advice is for
you not to attempt to judge my emotions by my statements-this would lead
you into making a mistake and could very easily lead you into a trap due to
the fact that you are viewing a screen not my face . Right now I just
winked at you-did you see that :-)
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