Kevin,
I would not consider DaveH to be TT’s “Judas”
by any means. He has been here longer than almost anyone else, and at
least shows an openess to give and take discussions, unlike some. He
takes a lot more guff than he dishes out, I must admit!!! I hope he doesn’t
mind us discussing him or Mormonism frankly, as we can’t exactly talk
behind his back here, can we? Nor would we want to. I, for one, am happy
to have DaveH on TT. He adds one more bit of color to the confetti of our
wildly divergent beliefs, if nothing else! J I only wish I had some indication that he would ever
change even one single opinion about his beliefs as a result. He has changed
mine, for sure, about Mormonism. I now consider it to be a hopeless state
of darkness, nomatter how likeable the mormon might be personally.
Izzy
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From:
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003
7:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy
of A.Word.A.Day
I suppose then that TT can have theirs
Dave Hansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dean Moore wrote:
>
> > DavidM: When you say you will do it in honor of DaveH, are
> > you saying this in irony, as if you really mean to hurt Dave?
> >
> > Dean: * Bro.David-I see DaveH as being led by the Mormon
> > spirit and realize that I am battling a spirit not a man. I believe
> > that DaveH is a worker of iniquity of the first order
> >
> > jt: But Dean you are dealing in the flesh with men when you
> > wave Mormon underwear around outside their temple and
> > when DaveH is personally mocked and demeaned on this list
> > by you and/or others.
>
> * And how do you see his mockery of me on this list?
DAVEH: Dean, I admit to sometimes joshing you a bit. Seems like after all
you've done for/to me, I should take a pot shot at you now and then. If you are
offended, let me know and I'll try to tone it down a bit.
> In case you haven't
> noticed he has been mocking me for days now with his anger
DAVEH: 'Anger'???.......I don't think you know me very well, Dean. I have a
very tolerant attitude and am very slow to anger.
> remarks-and he
> even spoke against the Holy Spirit of God and that seems to be ignored
DAVEH: I'm not ignoring it.....I've just been a bit too busy to respond to
every post. I hope to respond to your wounded psyche as I get a chance. I'd do
it now, except I'm out of town and it resides on my home computer.
> -but
> we are seen as wrong to expose those thing that a cult
DAVEH: Nobody thinks you are wrong for exposing what you think is wrong, Dean.
What seems to bother a lot of folks is the manner in which you do your
exposing. I would ask you who you are intending to educate......the Mormons or
the non Mormons?
Mocking our sacred edifices, doctrines, beliefs and clothing does little to
endure LDS folks to your cause. I'm not sure it endures anybody else to your
cause either.....except perhaps other wackos.
> -that claims the name
> of Jesus Christ-uses to dishonor the very teaching of Christ himself.
> Sister I suggest you beware of seducing spirits from this reprobate. Esau
> and I have been here before-and each time he get young Christians to fight
> his battles for him-as he is doing now. At no time in our debate did I
> attempt to help Esau come to Christ-My debate with him was of one purpose
> and that was resist his teachings and expose them for what they are. He
has
> heard enough preaching to save the entire world and has flatly reject the
> words of Christ
DAVEH: No Dean....not the words of Christ do I have trouble accepting. Rather
it is your convoluted idea of what you think Jesus wants you to do that
concerns me.
> -but still promotes Mormonism.
DAVEH: When somebody asks me a question about my beliefs, I feel compelled to
answer. Is that a problem, Dean? Isn't that the purpose of TT? Or....did you
think TT is a place that is only for Christians to convert others to their
belief realm?
> Now consider the words of
> Jesus Himself Matt.12:30
> He that is not with me is against me,and he that gathereth not with me
> scattereth abroad.
> Simple the Esau spirit that DaveH enjoys is seeking to scatter abroad-who
> is he seeking to scatter-you- and anybody else foolish enough to listen to
> him on this site.
DAVEH: If you or any other TTers really feel this way, Dean.....simply delete
all my posts without reading them.
> He has rejected truth for a lie not once but hundreds of
> times even those here have proved their point on the words of Jesus Christ
> Himself-he has tried to pervert those truths into Mormon lies.
DAVEH: Whether my opinions and beliefs are right or wrong, is it not permissible
for me to express them on TT, Dean? Is this meant to be a one sided forum, or
are all welcome despite their differing perspectives???
> > Spiritual warfare happens in prayer as we take authority over
> > religious principalities and powers and wicked spirits along
> > with the assignments they have been given.
>
> Why not just pray for the Satan then and end the entire struggle? How
> about Esau -he had Godly parents-surely Isaac would have prayed for
him-yet
> he still went to hell. The point is when someone has proven to deny truth
> hundreds of times and resist truth to promote untruth- God often turns
them
> over as I believe He has done to Esau/DaveH-and he has rooted himself
> deeply into this site.
DAVEH: Is that a problem for you, Dean? Despite some (well....a lot) feelings
of animosity towards me and my beliefs from some TTers, I do feel comfortable
here. That is not to say I enjoy hearing the way you and a few others speak
about me or my
religion, but I think I understand where you are coming from Dean, and I keep
that in mind when you unleash your venom on me. First let me say Dean, I am not
offended by you or other TTers despite your dislike for me. I do not hate or
despise you. But
I do find you 'interesting', and perhaps that is one thing that I like about
TT. It gives me (a narrow minded Mormon boy) a chance to rub shoulders with
folks who are on the far end of the spectrum. Where else would I get to 'enjoy'
such
exchanges?!?!?!?! Yeah.....I know, I could go to SLC at Conference time, but
then I would only get to talk to you for a few days or so. On TT I get the full
treatment all year long! :-)
Anyway, I'm not sure why my membership in TT bothers you (and perhaps others)
so much. I was invited to TT by DavidM, and I was under the impression that it
was pretty much an open forum that did not try to exclude anybody merely
because of his
beliefs. While I didn't expect the red carpet to be laid out for LDS folks, I
sure didn't expect that a lot of TTers would prefer I not be here. If you folks
want to change the nature of TT and make it a closed list for non LDS
Christians only, that is
OK with me. I'll pack my bags and leave if so invited. But I've never had the
feeling that I shouldn't be here. (As somebody mused awhile back, perhaps God wants
me here!) I think we can safely say that you aren't God, Dean!
But why do you feel you are getting the short end of the stick, Dean? We all
play by the same rules here. You (and others) have tried hard to convert me to
your theological leanings, and I in return have tried my best not to evangelize
in TT. As I
understand the rules, it would be OK to do so, but I simply don't feel
compelled to do so. Furthermore, I'm not here to push Mormonism on anybody. I
feel it is not my home field, and I am a guest who should mind my manners. I
try to avoid offending,
and do my best to turn the other cheek when necessary.
Yet you seem to think everybody is favoring me, at your expense. May I suggest
that perhaps you are taking TT a bit too seriously, Dean? Can't we both reside
here in peace and brotherly love? That doesn't mean we can't toss a few barbs
at each
other occasionally, and perhaps joke around a bit. But do we have to go at each
other's throats until one of us (probably you) gets mad and leaves? Is that what
you really want?
Wouldn't it just be a better forum if you occasionally remind other TTers how
evil I (and other Mormons) are so that none will fall into our traps, and then
sit back and enjoy TT for what it is.....a place where folks of dissimilar beliefs
and
backgrounds can relax and chat a bit? Is that a problem for you, Dean? If I
can't persuade you to lighten up a bit, is there anything I can do that would
appease you? And no....I'm not referring to jumping the LDS ship, or leaving
TT. But if you would
prefer I simply refrain from posting comments directed at you, I could
accommodate you on that. Or perhaps you have some other ideas??? What say ye,
Dean? Can we kiss and make up?!?!?!?!
> Seducing Spirits are named and warned against for a
> reason. Before when we had this debate I was rejected by the group on this
> list and DaveH/Esau was loved
DAVEH: Don't flatter yourself, Dean. You 'rejected' yourself, IMO. And, I don't
quite know who you think on TT loves this Mormon boy. I think there are some
who tolerate me, but I doubt I'll be getting many invitations to Christmas
dinner! Heck
(hope you don't mind me swearing a bit here)......I can't even count on Brother
Glenn sending me a Christmas card!
> -DaveH has tried to anger me again soas I will
> say something hard towards him to get symphony from this list-just like
any
> other reprobate-use people to get gain. Interesting huh? Love the sinner
DAVEH: Would that be all that bad......
> and hate the Brother in Christ-those seducing spirits will get you every
> time if one opens the door for them.
DAVEH: I suspect the TT door is open to even the devil himself. (Am I wrong
about that, DavidM?) Now don't get me wrong Dean.......I am in no way
suggesting that I am the devil, or even one of his henchmen, despite what many
TTers feel about me. Look
at it another way, Dean. What if Jesus himself joined TT. How do you suppose he
would be treated if he used a pen name while posting here?
> Hopes this helps sister. May God bless
> you.
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