David Miller wrote: >> Are you seriously going to say that Martin Luther's >> teaching on this matter was not from the Scriptures?
Judy wrote: > If he taught baptismal regeneration, yes I would say that. You speak as if you have not read Martin Luther's Scriptural arguments for baptismal regeneration. Have you read his arguments or are you just taking the position that any understanding other than your own personal understanding is not based upon Scripture? Judy wrote: > I don't believe it is arrogant to allow the Holy Spirit > to lead me into ALL truth David and on this issue the > truth I see in the scriptures is that baptism in itself > symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of the > Lord Jesus Christ and it is the combination of faith in > this DBR and repentance that cleanses the conscience. And I have agreed with this viewpoint that you have. I can readily say that the Holy Spirit taught you these things. I only ask you to consider adding water baptism to this viewpoint that you already have, and see how it works together with these other things. Put it into practice and watch how people are set free of their sins instantly rather than taking years to put away their sin. The one thing that I challenge you on is that neither the Holy Spirit nor the Scriptures have taught you that baptism is only an outward symbol of an inward experience that has already taken place. This teaching is something you heard from the pulpit that made sense to you, not something you read in the Scriptures or something that the Holy Spirit revealed to you. Judy wrote: > It's OK to read it exactly as it is written but you > should understand that Peter wrote it with the cross > in mind, that is the death, burial, and resurrection > of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen! I understand that and agree with that. Judy wrote: > The scriptures do not contradict themselves and all > scripture must be interpreted in the light of other > scripture - rather than in the light of tradition > and/or dead orthodoxy. Amen, and this is exactly what I have been challenging you with. Your tradition and orthodoxy misses it a little in light of 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, and many other passages. Judy wrote: > So... 1 Peter 3:21 must be understood in the light > of the following: > Colossians 2:11, Romans 6:3-8, Galatians 3:27 I agree completely. Some of these passages are the very ones that I had shared with you previously. None of these passages teach that baptism is only an outward symbol of an inward experience that had already taken place sometime before. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
