> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/19/2003 11:41:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.
>
> Dean wrote:
> > * No Izzy I don't think TT should exist in this form-
> > I believe there should be limits on the length of time
> > one of another doctrine should be allowed to stay here,
> > 2 thess 3:14. Those that walk disorderly are to be warned
> > (admonish)...and have no company with him- This was simply
> > for not working and being a busybody-This is telling us
> > to separate from the brethern-How much more should we
> > separate from the false believers- those of a false
> > doctrine to dwell among the brethren.
>
> Hi Dean. Interesting perspective that you have here. It seems like
> maybe you view TruthTalk like a person's home where people live
> together, or maybe like a church where believers come together in Holy
> Communion. I don't view TruthTalk that way at all. I see TruthTalk as
> a public forum, just like going out on a street corner and preaching.
> The difference is that here people choose to sign up, so you don't
> gather a crowd here using tactics like waving underwear. Another
> difference is that we don't allow the personal attacks or pressure here
> because that would be counter productive to discussion of the issues. If
> we were trying to save people here, but might be the thing to do, but
> this forum is setup for discussion, not converting people.
>
> Everybody here hopefully is interested in talking about what they
> believe and answering questions. I can't tell you how much I value
> being able to talk with someone like DaveH and Blaine and learn first
> hand what Mormons believe and why. There is a level of communication
> here that is much better than reading a book. If I misunderstand
> something, I can ask questions and they will answer. Surely you can see
> how this is a much safer way of accurately learning their beliefs and
> practices than joining the Mormon church.
Dean writes:
There are other's whom came out of that church that could help you
understand Mormonism. Also-I can give you their #'s if you wish there are
also some very good books written on the subject that cover many areas-see
Amazon.com-Also Kevin was able to get a lot of knowledge of Mormonism and
stay within the confines of the Bible. Yes this would be safer then joining
the Mormon cult but not complete safe. David while it is not my goal to do
harm to you-I view you as "teasing" the spirit behind these Mormons-call it
flirting if you like-this may be blunt but it is how I feel-and I don't buy
the reason you gave as learning. I will make a deal with you come to SLC
with us then maybe you will understand why I stand as I do-talk with the
local business people that come up to us and thank us for being there.Then
we can talk this over in person. Then maybe I can convey to you-what I am
not able to do here on this site.
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------------------------------------> One thing I would like you to think
about, and that is how you seem to
> view "false doctrine" as worse than sins like not working or being a
> busybody. I view it just the opposite. I view the actual sin, the
> actions, was being the crime. The false doctrine I view as something
> that leads to the crime. Therefore, while sins are cause for
> disassociating from BRETHREN for the sake of discipline and
> accountability, the expression of false doctrine in and of itself is
> not. I am afraid of any tendency to view the expression of ideas as
> sin. That is what led the Roman Catholic Church and men like John
> Calvin to burn people at the stake. I believe men should be free to
> express their viewpoint, even when they are wrong.
\Dean writes:
I have no problem with anyone expressing themselves-the idea of allowing
the false teachers to stay in the mist of the brethren is what I have a
problem with. I view ongoing sin as cause for disassociation with
non-believers not just the brethren-see last mailer.
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> Do you know any Bible verses that teach excommunication or
> disassociation for false doctrine alone? I would be interested in
> studying them more closely and re-examining my perspective on this. I
> trust you will do the same.
Dean writes:
Answered in last mailer.
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> Again, in summary, my response to false doctrine is rebuke and a call to
> correction. My response to sin that is unrepented of is to shun the
> brother or family member who engages in it. I will tell you that I have
> had to do that even with my own flesh and blood sister, and it is
> sometimes very hard to do when you love the person so much. It is much
> worse than having to spank my children, which I also do not like doing
> but find it necessary for proper training.
Dean writes:
But David when we rebuked them you stepped in and spoke against us for
rebuking them-Both Izzy and I experienced this-In a sense we were rebuked
for rebuking the Mormons. I am sorry you had problems with family members
-I have had to do the same and you are right it is tough.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
>
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