Judy wrote: >> You certainly don't take correction well do you Dean ...
Dean wrote: > David I view this as also another attack upon my person. > And call for you to use the same standard to correct > Judy as you are using to correct me! In the above you > are being exalted as being "good" and my character is > being attacked. You are correct, Dean. Judy was attacking your character. This is against the TruthTalk rule. Judy and Dean, please take this thread off list if you think it necessary, or just kiss and make up and let's move on. You may not realize it, but when posts become centered around the people speaking, about who is right and who is wrong, it becomes a battle of ego and pride and the posts get VERY boring to people who are reading them. Most of us just do not care, and the ones who do care just want you both to get along. With regards to Pagan Wolf, Dean... The Pagan Wolf is NOT a Christian so making him out not to be a brother in Christ is no insult to him or attack on his character. Saying that Ruben ought to cast the devil out of him or implying that they might have some commonality is not the same as saying to Ruben, "you are no brother of mine." I really appreciated the way Pagan Wolf responded to that. He told her something along the lines of the idea that she gave him too much credit and attributed powers to him that he did not have! The tit-for-tat ended abruptly until you now brought it up again. The ironic thing in that exchange which was quite interesting to those who were following it closely was that Judy had previously criticized Ruben for polarizing non-Christians in such a way that they would not hear him. Then when an example of respect for Ruben from one of these non-Christians was illustrated on the list in regards to Pagan Wolf, she attacked him for not doing something about it! Like Ruben said, he can't win nobody what he does. We can nitpick all day at posts and find many ways in which all of us attack each other. I am guilty of it too. We have this goal of being above that, but the truth is that our human nature always pulls us toward it. At some point a line must be drawn. The dividing line is sometimes kind of gray, but at some point it becomes obvious that the discussion has devolved into being about the people posting rather than the philosophy and opinions of the people posting. I have to make a judgment call, and I'm sorry that this time it happened to fall in a way that focused upon you. Maybe you are right and if I had focused upon Judy's failings instead she would have received the correction better and we would not be still posting about it back and forth. My judgment isn't always the best, but I always try and direct my correction the hardest toward those most able to endure it, the spiritually big and strong if you will. In any case, please, you and I need to finish talking about this offline with Ruben. To both Dean and Judy: please do not respond to this e-mail and try not to respond to any e-mails between you that attack each other in some way or make you feel that you need to justify yourselves. If you just have to get your last word in, send the reply to me and courtesy copy those you want to hear it. If I judge it helpful to the list, I will forward it here. At some point, I just have to stop this kind of exchange because I know from experience that it will kill the profitability of the list. Remember, the goal is for us to discuss what we believe and why we believe it. If you want to persuade someone toward your view, fine. If you don't want to persuade anybody but are curious about why they believe a certain way, ask them questions. Asking questions is a GREAT WAY TO LEARN! Presenting yourself in a humble manner, as less informed than you really are, also is a great way to learn. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. p.s. I would love to see Kevin and some of you who preach Salt Lake City to take a more inquisitive approach toward the Mormons about what they believe rather than lecturing them about what they believe. In my opinion, based upon past discussions with them, you are not always accurately representing their position as Mormons. In other cases, you have them in a corner, but there is so much material that their eyes glaze over and they ignore what you bring up. One thing I have learned, and that is that while some Mormons are more than ready to enter into apologetics in response to a challenge, these Mormons do not respond to a challenge. They only respond to questions brought with a desire to hear them. I realize that this is classic cult behavior, but it is what it is and the list is meant to encourage discussion and not one sided monologues. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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