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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:56
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL
UPWARD
> Blaine, maybe you can help me understand
this. **Blaine:I will try, but will rely on Mormon
doctrine to do so--OK?
>
> So, in the pre-life, he was Michael the Archangel, but in life, he became
> Adam. This implies that you were once an angel, too, doesn't it? But, the
> scripture says there is no salvation for angels. How does that work? Are you
> not saved?
>
> So, in the pre-life, he was Michael the Archangel, but in life, he became
> Adam. This implies that you were once an angel, too, doesn't it? But, the
> scripture says there is no salvation for angels. How does that work? Are you
> not saved?
Blaine: JS defines an
angel as being a messenger from God, and can either be a spirit, or a
resurrected being. I doubt if I was ever an angel, but I am sure I was a
spirit personage in premortal life. (although, my wife sometimes
tells me I am an angel, as did my mother when I was good lol) I believe
all of us were such. Would you mind giving me ch. and verse where it
says there is no salvation for angels? I
may be in for it if it is true. LOL
>
> In life, then, Adam was a man, but in the book of Daniel he is Michael the
> Archangel again. How does that work? I though he would become a god!!! Can
> he switch between Michael and Adam at will?
>
> In life, then, Adam was a man, but in the book of Daniel he is Michael the
> Archangel again. How does that work? I though he would become a god!!! Can
> he switch between Michael and Adam at will?
Blaine: In the Book of
Daniel, Michael was the same spirit that left Adam's body when he died. He
had resumed his former position of honor and glory in God's spiritual
realm/kingdom, and apparently also his former identity.
>
> But, in the after-life, Adam is still a man, right?
No, he resumed his life as a spirit. Adam/Michael had not yet been resurrected. Jesus Christ was
the first fruits of the resurrection. Did he become a god?
No, except for Jehovah/Jesus Christ, one does not become a
god until after the resurrection. Even then it is iffy!
> Does he become Michael the Archangel, appear to Daniel, then revert back to
> a man, then become a God? Michael was an angel in spirit form when he appeared to Daniel. Again, Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection. Michael may well be a god now, since he could be among those who came forth from their graves after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I have no reason to doubt that he does sit on a throne in God's kingdom, as does Abraham, Moses and others.
> Does he become Michael the Archangel, appear to Daniel, then revert back to
> a man, then become a God? Michael was an angel in spirit form when he appeared to Daniel. Again, Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection. Michael may well be a god now, since he could be among those who came forth from their graves after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I have no reason to doubt that he does sit on a throne in God's kingdom, as does Abraham, Moses and others.
> Is there anyone else we know of that Michael becomes during this time? Does
> this arrangement seem at all puzzling or odd to you?
Blaine: Actually no. Not the way I have
explained it. You just have to remember that no spirit took a tangible
body until after Jesus Christ came forth as the firstfruits of the
resurrection. In fact, the Jehovah of the OT
was basically a spirit--He was the great I AM, whom Jesus identified as himself
(John 8: 58 ". . . before Abraham was, I
AM.)
> Perry
>
> >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:18:16 -0700
> >
> >Yes, they (Adam and Michael) are one and the same--Michael was an
> >archangel
> >in the pre-existence, and was the first mortal man, Adam, in the flesh.
> >Gabriel is, according to LDS theology, associated with Noah, and was the
> >angel who appeared to Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, and to Zacharias,
> >the father of John the Baptist. This would suggest we all have pre-mortal
> >names and identities as we lived in eternity before time was.
> >Blaine
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:35 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> >
> >
> > > Blaine, didn't you also say at one time that Adam and the archangel
> >Michael
> > > (or is it Gabriel) are the same being?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> > > >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:10:52 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Kevin wrote: Do you believe in "original sin"?
> > > >
> > > >Blaine writes: We believe men will be punished for their own sins and
> >not
> > > >for Adam's transgression. We therefore do not believe in infant
> >baptism.
> > > >We believe that as in Adam all men die, so in Christ shall all be made
> > > >alive, and that as in Adam came the fall from the divine nature, so in
> > > >Christ we may regain the divine nature lost in the Garden of Eden.
> > > >
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>
> >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:18:16 -0700
> >
> >Yes, they (Adam and Michael) are one and the same--Michael was an
> >archangel
> >in the pre-existence, and was the first mortal man, Adam, in the flesh.
> >Gabriel is, according to LDS theology, associated with Noah, and was the
> >angel who appeared to Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, and to Zacharias,
> >the father of John the Baptist. This would suggest we all have pre-mortal
> >names and identities as we lived in eternity before time was.
> >Blaine
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:35 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> >
> >
> > > Blaine, didn't you also say at one time that Adam and the archangel
> >Michael
> > > (or is it Gabriel) are the same being?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> > > >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:10:52 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Kevin wrote: Do you believe in "original sin"?
> > > >
> > > >Blaine writes: We believe men will be punished for their own sins and
> >not
> > > >for Adam's transgression. We therefore do not believe in infant
> >baptism.
> > > >We believe that as in Adam all men die, so in Christ shall all be made
> > > >alive, and that as in Adam came the fall from the divine nature, so in
> > > >Christ we may regain the divine nature lost in the Garden of Eden.
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > > >http://www.InnGlory.org
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