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Blainer:. But he was denied the privilege of tabernacling in the flesh,
because he made war in heaven, and actually overcame one-third of the
hosts of heaven. The other two-thirds are you and I
(here Blainer is saying that he is an angel/former angel) and all
others who were allowed to take on mortal bodies.
17/10/2002 - Michael D to Dave H: Blainer represents this as thoughthe other two thirds have already taken on flesh. Does this meanthat the only angels now are the ones who have died?
6/02/2004 - Michael D: Hey Blainer, your statement above contradicts the one
immediately below, and the bold, italicized red text further on.
Can you explain this? Perry, I am sure you would want to address this as well
17/10/2002 - Blainer) The Big Picture seems to be what is missing here. Maybe this will help. We have learned from JS--whom we believe to have had many experiences with angels--that all angels who minister to the peoples of this earth are either former or future inhabitants of this earth, with the one exception of evil spirits...
From post 17/10/2002 - Blainer: But he was denied the privilege of tabernacling in the flesh, because he made war in heaven, and actually overcame one-third of the hosts of heaven. The other two-thirds are you and I (here Blainer is saying that he is an angel/former angel) and all others who were allowed to take on mortal bodies.
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:56 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD> Blaine, maybe you can help me understand this. **Blaine:I will try, but will rely on Mormon doctrine to do so--OK?
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> So, in the pre-life, he was Michael the archangel, but in life, he became
> Adam. This implies that you were once an angel, too, doesn't it? But, the
> scripture says there is no salvation for angels. How does that work? Are you not saved?Blaine: JS defines an angel as being a messenger from God, and can either be a spirit, or a resurrected being. I doubt if I was ever an angel???? but I am sure I was a spirit personage in premortal life. (although, my wife sometimes tells me I am an angel, as did my mother when I was good lol) I believe all of us were such. Would you mind giving me ch. and verse where it says there is no salvation for angels? I may be in for it if it is true. LOL
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> In life, then, Adam was a man, but in the book of Daniel he is Michael the
> Archangel again. How does that work? I though he would become a god!!! Can
> he switch between Michael and Adam at will?Blaine: In the Book of Daniel, Michael was the same spirit that left Adam's body when he died. He had resumed his former position of honor and glory in God's spiritual realm/kingdom, and apparently also his former identity.
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> But, in the after-life, Adam is still a man, right?No, he resumed his life as a spirit. Adam/Michael had not yet been resurrected. Jesus Christ was the first fruits of the resurrection. Did he become a god? No, except for Jehovah/Jesus Christ, one does not become a god until after the resurrection. Even then it is iffy!
> Does he become Michael the Archangel, appear to Daniel, then revert back to
> a man, then become a God? Michael was an angel in spirit form when he appeared to Daniel. Again, Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection. Michael may well be a god now, since he could be among those who came forth from their graves after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I have no reason to doubt that he does sit on a throne in God's kingdom, as does Abraham, Moses and others.
> Is there anyone else we know of that Michael becomes during this time? Does
> this arrangement seem at all puzzling or odd to you?Blaine: Actually no. Not the way I have explained it.You just have to remember that no spirit took a tangible body until after Jesus Christ came forth as the firstfruits of the resurrection.In fact, the Jehovah of the OT was basically a spirit--He was the great I AM, whom Jesus identified as himself (John 8: 58 ". . . before Abraham was, I AM.)
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