Blaine,

First of all, I distinguish between humans and angels, as do the scriptures. They are not the same beings, and the Bible gives no indication that spirits, angels, or humans are interchangeable. For example, in I Cor 6:13 Paul Says that "we shall judge angels". He is obviously distinguishing between "we" (his audience of believers), and the angels (some other group of beings distinct from humans).

As far as I know there is no specific chapter and verse that directly says there is no salvation for Angels, but it is inferred from 1 Peter 2:4, "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment". notice that if what he states is true, then none of these angles can be saved, i.e., there is no salvation for them. They are doomed to judgement. The fact that we humans can be saved, though sinners, also distinguishes us from the Angels.

You said, "In the Book of Daniel, Michael was the same spirit that left Adam's body when he died." I would like to see a reference to this in the Bible.

Perry
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:48:53 -0700


> Blaine, maybe you can help me understand this. **Blaine:I will try, but will rely on Mormon doctrine to do so--OK?
>
> So, in the pre-life, he was Michael the Archangel, but in life, he became
> Adam. This implies that you were once an angel, too, doesn't it? But, the
> scripture says there is no salvation for angels. How does that work? Are you
> not saved?
Blaine: JS defines an angel as being a messenger from God, and can either be a spirit, or a resurrected being. I doubt if I was ever an angel, but I am sure I was a spirit personage in premortal life. (although, my wife sometimes tells me I am an angel, as did my mother when I was good lol) I believe all of us were such. Would you mind giving me ch. and verse where it says there is no salvation for angels? I may be in for it if it is true. LOL
>
> In life, then, Adam was a man, but in the book of Daniel he is Michael the
> Archangel again. How does that work? I though he would become a god!!! Can
> he switch between Michael and Adam at will?


Blaine: In the Book of Daniel, Michael was the same spirit that left Adam's body when he died. He had resumed his former position of honor and glory in God's spiritual realm/kingdom, and apparently also his former identity.

>
> But, in the after-life, Adam is still a man, right?
No, he resumed his life as a spirit. Adam/Michael had not yet been resurrected. Jesus Christ was the first fruits of the resurrection. Did he become a god? No, except for Jehovah/Jesus Christ, one does not become a god until after the resurrection. Even then it is iffy!
> Does he become Michael the Archangel, appear to Daniel, then revert back to
> a man, then become a God? Michael was an angel in spirit form when he appeared to Daniel. Again, Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection. Michael may well be a god now, since he could be among those who came forth from their graves after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I have no reason to doubt that he does sit on a throne in God's kingdom, as does Abraham, Moses and others.


> Is there anyone else we know of that Michael becomes during this time? Does
> this arrangement seem at all puzzling or odd to you?


Blaine: Actually no. Not the way I have explained it. You just have to remember that no spirit took a tangible body until after Jesus Christ came forth as the firstfruits of the resurrection. In fact, the Jehovah of the OT was basically a spirit--He was the great I AM, whom Jesus identified as himself (John 8: 58 ". . . before Abraham was, I AM.)
> Perry
>

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