----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> Blaine, > > First of all, I distinguish between humans and angels, as do the > scriptures. They are not the same beings, and the Bible gives no indication > that spirits, angels, or humans are interchangeable. For example, in I Cor > 6:13 Paul Says that "we shall judge angels". He is obviously distinguishing > between "we" (his audience of believers), and the angels (some other group > of beings distinct from humans). > > As far as I know there is no specific chapter and verse that directly > says there is no salvation for Angels, but it is inferred from 1 Peter 2:4, > "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, > and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment". ***Blaine: We seem to have a somewhat different interpretation of this passage--from my perspective, the "angels" were the spirit disciples of Satan in the pre-existance--the 1/3 of the hosts of heaven who subscribed to his doctrines and were cast down with him to await the final judgement. There is a passage from one of the gospels indicating these evil spirits were trying to inhabit the bodies of men, then were cast into swine--apparently they preferred that to being unembodied. Will check it out, see if I can find it. > notice that if what he states is true, then none of these angles can be > saved, i.e., there is no salvation for them. They are doomed to judgement. ***Blaine: I'd say that was correct. Their condemnation is that they may never be able to progress to an embodied state, as we who chose to follow Jehovah were allowed to do. > The fact that we humans can be saved, though sinners, also distinguishes us > from the Angels. Blaine--Yes, from the angels--spirit disciples--of Satan. > > You said, "In the Book of Daniel, Michael was the same spirit that left > Adam's body when he died." I would like to see a reference to this in the > Bible. Perry ***Blaine: I wish it were there (:>) That would be neat if all LDS doctrine could be verified from the Bible. One of the purposes of the BoM and other latter-day scriptures has been to restore the truths that were held anciently, but got lost either through neglect, poor translations or deliberately excluding them from the present Bible. That is why DaveH and I try to emphasize this great loss to mankind, and encourage others to have faith in God's ability to restore lost truths. But we are too often confronted with those who seem afraid to step forward and take hold of the offerings--too often they say, as the BoM predicts, "A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible and we need no more Bible." (1 Nephi 29:3) > >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD > >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:48:53 -0700 > > > > > > > Blaine, maybe you can help me understand this. **Blaine:I will try, but > >will rely on Mormon doctrine to do so--OK? > > > > > > So, in the pre-life, he was Michael the Archangel, but in life, he > >became > > > Adam. This implies that you were once an angel, too, doesn't it? But, > >the > > > scripture says there is no salvation for angels. How does that work? Are > >you > > > not saved? > >Blaine: JS defines an angel as being a messenger from God, and can either > >be a spirit, or a resurrected being. I doubt if I was ever an angel, but I > >am sure I was a spirit personage in premortal life. (although, my wife > >sometimes tells me I am an angel, as did my mother when I was good lol) I > >believe all of us were such. Would you mind giving me ch. and verse where > >it says there is no salvation for angels? I may be in for it if it is > >true. LOL > > > > > > In life, then, Adam was a man, but in the book of Daniel he is Michael > >the > > > Archangel again. How does that work? I though he would become a god!!! > >Can > > > he switch between Michael and Adam at will? > > > >Blaine: In the Book of Daniel, Michael was the same spirit that left > >Adam's body when he died. He had resumed his former position of honor and > >glory in God's spiritual realm/kingdom, and apparently also his former > >identity. > > > > > > > > But, in the after-life, Adam is still a man, right? > >No, he resumed his life as a spirit. Adam/Michael had not yet been > >resurrected. Jesus Christ was the first fruits of the resurrection. Did > >he become a god? No, except for Jehovah/Jesus Christ, one does not become > >a god until after the resurrection. Even then it is iffy! > > > Does he become Michael the Archangel, appear to Daniel, then revert back > >to > > > a man, then become a God? Michael was an angel in spirit form when he > >appeared to Daniel. Again, Jesus was the firstfruits of the > >resurrection. Michael may well be a god now, since he could be among > >those who came forth from their graves after the resurrection of Jesus > >Christ. I have no reason to doubt that he does sit on a throne in God's > >kingdom, as does Abraham, Moses and others. > > > > > Is there anyone else we know of that Michael becomes during this time? > >Does > > > this arrangement seem at all puzzling or odd to you? > > > >Blaine: Actually no. Not the way I have explained it. You just have to > >remember that no spirit took a tangible body until after Jesus Christ came > >forth as the firstfruits of the resurrection. In fact, the Jehovah of the > >OT was basically a spirit--He was the great I AM, whom Jesus identified as > >himself (John 8: 58 ". . . before Abraham was, I AM.) > > > Perry > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up - fast & reliable Internet access with prime > features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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