Blaine, if you are a descendant of American Indians, and considerself a descendant of Ephraim, you are barking up the wrong family tree! There is NO proof, either archaelogically or historically, that the American indians descended from ancient hebrews. That is Mormon folklore based on a work plaigerized by JS. If you disagree, then please give you pedigree, or "generations", from Ephraim to yourself. If you cannot, then I am afraid you are a liar.

No, as far as I know, I am not a descendant of the House of Israel (but who knows? there were 10 lost tribes!). However, I am a child of God and a member of the Body of Christ, having joined in the New Covenant. My lineage does not matter with respect to my faith and belief in Jesus Christ.

Perry


From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:51:53 -0700

Blaine writes:  Rabbi means teacher, right?  Thanks for the compliment.
Since you asked about whether or not I am a child of Israel, I don't mind
answering--it is actually one of my favorite subjects.  (:>)  The answer is
. . .  YES!!  My lineage is of Ephraim, according to my Patriarchal
Blessing.  I share this lineage with many Native Americans.  How about
yourself?  Are you of the Lord's ancient covenant people?
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?


> Rabbi Blaine, are you a child of Israel?
>
>
> >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:05:34 -0700
> >
> >Blaine: The OT tells us we should keep the 7th day as a sabbath FOREVER.
> >(Exodus 31:16-17 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the
sabbath,
> >to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual
> >covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever.)
> >Do you keep the sabbath on Saturday, the 7th day?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Deegan
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?
> >
> >
> > Blaine writes: Kevin, how long is "everlasting to everlasting?"
> >
> > It is as long as the East is FAR AWAY from the West.
> > It is FOREVER
> > You could travel forever East & never start going West
> > Go back to everlasting go foward to everlasting that is ETERNITY
> > NO Beginning NO End
> > FOREVER & EVER ETERNAL GOD
> > God had No beginning he has No End!
> >
> >
> >
> > Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kevin wrote: The One & ONLY TRUE God of the Bible
> > Was ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art
God"
> >
> > Blaine writes: Kevin, how long is "everlasting to everlasting?"
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Deegan
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:11 AM
> > Subject: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?
> >
> >
> > There are no direct quotes stating the 'god' of Mormonism was a
> >sinner.
> > It follows, if you follow the teachings to logical conclusions
> > Judge for yourself...
> >
> > Apostle Orson Hyde, "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a
> >child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of
> >progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome,
> >until He has arrived at the point where He now is" Journal of Discourses
> >1:123
> > Mortal means capable of Death.
> > Why are you mortal?
> > What did he OVERCOME?
> >
> > 1976 LDS manual "Achieving a Celestial Marriage, "... our Father
in
> >heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death." p132
> >
> > Apostle Bruce McConkie "The Father is a glorified, perfected
> >resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to
> >the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" A New
Witness
> >for the Articles of Faith, p 64
> > To be resurrected this god must have DIED!
> > If he needed to work out his salvation he must have been LOST!
> > He must have been a SINNER, cause he was LOST & DIED. ("wages of
sin
> >is death" Rm 6:23)
> > Jesus did not work out his own salvation!
> > "Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do
> >ye not believe me?" John 8:46
> >
> > Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, ". . .the process of gaining
> >salvation is one of cleansing himself from sin. . ." MD p 536
> > Since the god of mormonism worked out his own salvation he must
have
> >cleansed himself from sin.
> >
> > A god who was once a sinner, struggled with sin, the world, and
the
> >devil.
> > These ideas are EXTREMELY REPULSIVE
> > The One & ONLY TRUE God of the Bible
> > Was ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art
> >God"
> > Is HOLY JUST & PURE, was never never ever a SINNER!
> > PS 111:9 "holy and reverend is his name"
> >
> > David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Blaine and DaveH,
> >
> > Do you believe that Father God himself sinned in the past, and
> >that is
> > how he has knowledge of good and evil?
> >
> > Do you believe that Jesus Christ himself also has sinned in his
> >past?
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
> >
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